Mars stations retrograde on the 23rd of January 2012, 18 hours after the bold and brave January New Moon. Mars will traverse up and down 3 – 23 degrees Virgo and will spend roughly 10 days on a degree while it stations These degrees will become highly sensitized. My take on Mars retrograde is as usual different from most Astrologers. The retrograde effect is an illusion, but the fact that it aspects one degree 3 times is very real. Just as I said for Mercury retrograde, I believe this period gives us a chance to look at things from a right-brain perspective. The effect is cyclical not linear, it is internalized and intuitive. It is suggested that this a time where we find it hard to express our anger and become passive aggressive, I’m not sure I believe this to be so.
Mars Retrograde Meaning
Mars is in retrograde motion for an average of two and a half months every two years, which is only 10% of the time. What I do think happens, is that the Mars impulse is slowed down and deepened. Mars retrograde makes a lasting impression and every move is planned carefully and strategically. I have read that Mars retrograde is akin to it traveling in the 12th house, which to me makes more sense as I was thinking the feel is quite Neptunian/Plutonian. I believe Mars retrograde is about karmic rebalancing and it’s mission is spiritualised.
The effect of the fixed stars that Mars hits on it’s path with be the coloring factor to this retrograde in 2012. A Mars retrograde is a long drawn out affair that happens every two years. Since Mars is about sex as well as well as war, it will cause us to re-evaluate our sexual relationships. Our ambitions and goals also come under scrutiny. If you look at the chart you will see the dates when each of the degrees in Virgo get retraced. Things started in the shadow period from the 19th November until the 24th of January will get two more hits. During the retrograde you will be able to turns things round and see them from another angle. Then when they are direct again in the out-going shadow you get to see if the decision or idea was really viable or not.
In my opinion then, I think Mars could do with having the heat taken out of it at times, this gives it a chance to make daring decisions with a cool head. Another point to consider is whether to start a war. In modern days, war-mongering could be to start legal proceedings or initiate a new business venture. Tradition opinion is to wait till Mars is direct again. I think it all depends on whether your intentions are honorable, because the universe will take charge of the outcome. Retrograde cycles are fated times, one must surrender to the forces. Mars is about bravery and confronting danger. So Mars retrograde is like riding a choppy 12th house sea. More Saturnian/left brain types may like to wait until things are calmer and have more control of their vessel. But true swash-buckling adventurers will trust that if Neptune loves you, he will get you there unexpectedly faster and award you a bounty of treasure for your courage.
Mars Retrograde 2012
Mars set sail into the shadow zone on November 18. Our hero hit the fixed star Zosma in constellation Leo on December 5, it was also benefited by a kindly trine from Venus. This could’ve been a time of turning things around if you have been feeling victimized. Some compromises were made after a row. Hasty words to Mars from Mercury square. On the January 8 Mars was on the cranky lions tail Denebola, just before the Full Moon – Thaw! This moon also talked about victimization, since we had a grand trine to Sedna. Mars was also revving up Eris too. You will not see the last of skeletons let out of the closest on this day, they come back to haunt you around the 1st week of February and are resolved between June 16-18. January 22 sees Mars hit the fixed star Alkes, the Holy Grail. This star refers to gifts and talents passed down through the family. However, those gifts can come with a price as there is some unexpected events and disorder indicated. This star is activated for a good few days while Mars is stationing retrograde. So we are made to look what family traits we want to keep and which ones are causing upset in our lives.
Mars stations retrograde January 23 and remains within orb of Alkes until January 30. The retrograde chart itself gives us a very powerful Mars/Sedna/Mercury grand trine. Mercury is exactly on the Peacock while Mars is still on Alkes of course. We have already talked about Sedna and it’s history of betrayal from the father. There certainly seems to be a theme of ancestral inheritance, for good or for ill. Peacock was said to represent Argos the builder of the famous ship Argo (A constellation). I think this is quite apt since I was likening this whole Mars cycle as being somewhat like a voyage.
Fixed star Peacock gives a long life and sometimes fame, maybe this is our prize if we are brave enough to set sail during a Mars retrograde. There is certainly a sea-faring theme to this cycle with Sedna featuring in a few grand trines. We may risk being thrown overboard by a treacherous boss or father figure, but in our despair we find our true calling. Since this retrograde occurs after a new Moon, then the seeds of intention we plant here carry extra poignancy. We go deeper with them, but these are longer term goals and we will have to wait for June 19 before they bear fruit. What sweet fruit they will be!
Mars re-visits the turbulent feline Denebola February 6 and opposes Mercury/Moon on February 22, which could bring on a tempest. Time to batten the hatches. What’s more the transiting nodes are on the powerful Antares/Aldebaran axis. This is an incredibly fated, nodal time when the archangels will be watching. We revisit December 22 2011 again as a pre-christmas ghost bellows about the sails. March 12 we get an interesting grand trine that involves a the Lilith conjunction Jupiter and Pluto. This is a fantastically potent and magical moment. Mars on Zosma in Leo again suggests the possibility of transforming the victim into the saviour. So a time when pussy-cats lions get their courage from Oz and belt out an almighty roar. This trine lasts until March 22.
Mars stations direct on April 14. Mars passes over Zosma again May 22 and seals the deal as a result of the brave outburst back on March 12. Mars is also still empowered by a trine from Pluto on ruthless Facies. Mars back on spikey Denebola on June 16 which may bring up a bitter and vindictive backlash from who ever got shafted during the nautical shake-up. But that’s just a blip. At the end of our journey we can all drink Rum punch from the cup of Alkes as Mars says its last goodbyes to 23 Virgo and sails off into the sunset.
Mars Retrograde Dates
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A thread in the “Astroweekly” relates to a theory on the application of musical notes to the Zodiac in a thread on the A.D. Forum titled-”Birth Chart of the Universe”.Some NEW-THINKING to be sure but quite interesting in light of the MARS Rx in process.With the feeling that the state of our reality(maybe the Universe) is in for a big shift & an awareness of the Pluto/Uranus squares coming into play could open up those tuning in to a renewed vision/birth of creation initiated by this ‘ODYSSEY’OF Mars Rx,and i believe it’s return.As it enters Virgo 22(read below) on the 28th,Neptune is on the THRESHOLD of Home(29 Aqu)sext Jupiter(2Tau)Peacock(1 tau)Lilith(4Tau)with Chiron(3Pis)calming the seas ahead as they sext Lilith(4Tau).Gearing up for that G.Trine(March 12th)that Marina likes,with Merc/Sedna/Mars.
In light of all this,in spite of my abandonment(before birth)by my father & the steps-f after,Sedna for me represents the Patriarchal abandonment of the ‘Divine Feminine’and the healing of same through these magical aspects/processes that can fill that chalice with the choices made now
Alkes is so appropriate as the “Holy Grail” as Rhudyar alludes to 22 Virgo below.Moira and I have Pluto at 25 01 Leo 10th(see below) in our composite.A fitting home after the strident lessons of Capricorn in our G.Cross’s
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http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19550
The 12 point Matrix is supposed to represent the “True Path of Discipleship’ by some sources [The writings of Dorthy Leon is one]
And if it’s as Rudhyar stated that all paths of discipleship begin in Virgo. This is highly illuminating as the first point that one connects to from 00* 00′ 00.ooo…ooo1″ Aquar. is the point in Virgo in the 22nd degree [ at 21.4285713 degrees Virgo to be percise] when one connects these ‘Dots’ in cycles of 5ths or 7ths.This also correponds to some ancient Mesopotamian or Babylonian [or they could have been Summerian or Assyrian...I'm not sure] bas-reliefs we have seen with a man beneath an arragement of Stars above him in this configuration of seven stars to one side of him and five stars to his other side.
Also the Sabians that are at these points are most interesting if viewed with the hypothesis they represent the “True Path of Discipleship”…as, according to Rudhyar all true paths of discipleship begin in Virgo then one reads the symbol for the 22nd degree of Virgo and proceds to the symbol for the 18th degree of Libra then the 13th degree of Scopio and so forth for a ‘Symbolically Illustrated 12 Step Path of Discipleship” …all in all, pretty far outstuff, I’ll admit…but this theory has got a lot going for it.
Then, by this line of thought the “True Path of Discipleship” begins at Virgo 22*…the symbol for which [from Rudhyars' book] “A ROYAL COAT OF ARMS ENRICHED WITH PRECIOUS STONES. KEYNOTE: The certification of aristocratic status, at whatever level “nobility” expressess itself in cultural eminence. …Every great Adept has come out of a line of human beings who have made their marks upon human evolution….”
…and the “Path” ends with the 26th degree of Leo the symbol for which is {Rudhyar] “AFTER THE HEAVY STORM, A RAINBOW. KEYNOTE: Linking above and below, the Convenant with ones’ divine nature, promise of immortality…we find the man who has been able to weather the cathartic storm face-to-face with his divine Archetype; because he has been victorious, a link has been established with his divine Soul-being…[and Rudhyars’ Keyword{s} for this symbol} …REVELATION OF WORTH”
Michael
…and the “Path” ends with the 26th degree of Leo the symbol for which is {Rudhyar] “AFTER THE HEAVY STORM, A RAINBOW. KEYNOTE: Linking above and below, the Convenant with ones’ divine nature, promise of immortality…we find the man who has been able to weather the cathartic storm face-to-face with his divine Archetype; because he has been victorious, a link has been established with his divine Soul-being…[and Rudhyars’ Keyword{s} for this symbol} …REVELATION OF WORTH”
Michael
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Thank you for the information Michael, really great & very helpful
in trying to understand purpose behind the challenges often presented to us.
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Greetings. Member Michael contacted me Friday via another website astrology forum, introduced himself and informed me that he was utilizing a post of mine from that website.
I thought that I’d check this Astrology site out and notice that the thread He’d contributed to is about Mars retro grade.
In light of that I’m offering these other posts of mine that deall with retrograde planets and the Sabian Symbols.
The first two links deal with Mars retro…the rest are obviously titled.
Prediction by Hindsight r.e. Sabians
http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=201
History in Hindsight>Mars retro ’67 “Summer of Love”
http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=203
Pluto Retrograde 2011-12…prelude to…?
http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=204
Sabian analysis of Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune rx 2010-11
http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=235
Summer 2011, Sabian analysis of Uranus retro. currently
http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=273
Sabians: Jupiter retrograde Aug 31st>
http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=275
I hope they may be of some use or assistance to any or all of you.
Thank you for your interest and for considering Sabian Symbology.
Sincerely, Dave Mastry aka Devananda [Piercethevale]
Greetings Dave!
I’m Michael’s partner, and have been enjoying this synchronistic cyber-meeting lately. I’m a devotee of the Sabians as both a poet and astrologer, so slowly savoring your links. I’ve brought the Rudhyar Archives up to remind myself of the richness available through the site, where I’m re-reading his articles on the Nodes (another particular interest of mine).
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/interpretlunarnodes.php
I’m personally stricken by your presentation of the Sabians for Mars RX in Virgo and the Cancer NNode during the week of 9/11/11. (2nd post in your first link, above). I chose this week far in advance of a momentous move with my children, from their father. I had been preparing for months. One can certainly imagine my “aghast” that I’d chosen this particular week based on a combination of water elements in play with a fastidious Virgo Sun. The NNode exactly squared my own in Aries. I hadn’t been studying these closely at the time, and probably would have made the same decisions to proceed with my personal agenda and plans if I’d known. It seems such a confirming “bias” from this perspective.
It’s great to meet you and so much of your material which Michael discovered recently. It’s with great ironic timing I’ve discovered you left the Astrodienst forum at the same time I started a poetry thread there in Oct.’08. Michael and I both look forward to studying together with you and through mutual threads in the future.
Back to the links (in a Mars RX Virgo style)!
Moira
The Sabians (Rudhyar) for Jan.24th Mars & NNode follow:
Mars 24 Virgo
“MARY AND HER LITTLE LAMB
The need to keep a vibrant and pure simplicity at the core of one’s being as one meets the many tests of existence.”
This has definitely been the theme for me with the transit through my 10th house, while I address the myriad issues involved with a recent decision to sell my own house. Many of the challenges in the details involve a “wait and see” attitude on my part now, as I trust the vision of the bigger picture.
The 1/24 NNode @13 Saggitarius leads me to read both the 13th and 14th Sabians, particularly as the Node is retrograde.
13 Sagg: “A WIDOW’S PAST IS BROUGHT TO LIGHT”
Keynote: “The karma of past actions as it affects opportunities presented by a new cycle.”
(Can we talk about my Mother here … ??? Let’s not, as I’m maintaining my Martian equilibrium!)
14 Sagg: “THE GREAT PYRAMID AND THE SPHINX”
Keynote: “The enduring power of occult knowledge and of its quasi-divine Christians, ‘seed-men’ of a previous cycle of existence.”
“…archetypal knowledge remains the foundation upon which men’s minds can still build solid and valid formulations, as new evolutionary developments are pending.”
“developments are pending” is a most suitable reflection on this transit so far. Not only are mundane matters taking on their vibrational qualities from the past to their conclusions at this time, but my intellectual explorations (read: astrological immersion) are truly grappling back through time and its histories as I explore the mythos of the Virgin Mary, Mary Magdalene, the asteroid Cruinthe … and share new-to-me concepts of Sacred Geometry.
Mars RX in Virgo is a very busy place on my desk and in my mind !
Moira
Moira, thank you for sharing the links. My South Node is at 12 Virgo, my Pluto is at 27 Virgo (opposing Mars at 3 Aries in the 8th house), and both Pluto and the South Node are in my first house. This Mars Rx is transformative for me – getting more information on the Nodes was exactly what I needed today. Not coincidentally, in my 38th year, I had a transformative year full of challenges, from health to work to home. Being reminded of my South Node as my place of undoing, and having it in my first house, really puts in perspective my current challenges at work and with my health and ex-husband.
By the way, I have been on a similar exploration to yours – have you read The Magdalene Manuscript?
Dragonfly,
I really enjoy Rudhyar’s description of S.Node action as an involuntary “expulsion” of the material within, as mandatory and unconsciously driven as our simplest biological functions. The NNode experience is much more consciously processed (what is accepted or rejected) in the process of acquiring new experiences. I’m glad to hear the timing was right to read that particular link ! I’ve linked another good article on the Virgo/Pisces polarity themes in an earlier post, if you haven’t caught it.
Can you link something about “The Magdalene Manuscript”? I don’t recall the title, but sometimes one finds an excerpt in cyber-space that’s from another source, etc.
Thanks, Moira
thanks everyone for the ongoing Mars retrograde information and links…so helpful for me during this personally intense and focused time…I am quite new to the study & influence of astrology but this blog site is really fantastic and so educational…bless you all!
I just posted an analysis of this on AW forum…I use ‘True Node’ btw
[here's a complete repost of what I've written]
A planet in retrograde does a one, two, three…do si do…little dance that is of important observational notice.
1. The degree and minute of the Zodiac it begins its retro. motion from.
2. The degree of the Zodiac it begins its ‘Final Return’ from.
3. When it returns to the exact degree and minute of the Zodiac that it started its retro movement from.
At each of these points its important to note the degree of the Zodiac the North Node is in at the time.
A planet at step number one is trying to release a principal/spiritual law of the Cosmos which is symbolically represented by the degree of the Zodiac it starts its retrograde motion from. This is the point I refer to as the “Stimulus”….what that particular planet is trying to get moving/influence [Stimulate...etc.] The symbol for the Noth Node at that time is “WHY” as it applies to society as a whole.
At step number two the planet is picking up[I] ‘Ignition’ [/I]energy for this ’cause’ it is trying to achieve. The ‘Ignition’ is represented by the symbol for that degree of the Zodiac. The symbol of the degree of the Zodiac for the North Node at that point is, again, as to ‘Why’.
At step number three we have the ‘Release” and the degree symbology of the North Node again pertains to “Why”.
This month on Jan 23rd @ [my local time] 4:54 pm Mars went retro @ 23* Virgo 05′ 34″
The Sabian Symbol for the 24th degree of Virgo represents an impasse of the principle of ‘”Action”…that is Mars.
[From Dane Rudhyar's Book:]
“MARY AND HER LITTLE LAMB.
KEYNOTE: The need to keep a vibrant and pure simplicity at the core of one’s being as one meets the many tests of existence.
[this Sabian Symbol] tells us that, though great, spectacular and resolute efforts are needed in order to achieve one’s higher goals of destiny, still the essential quality as one journeys on “the Path” is a pure, spontaneous, fresh and nonviolent approach to all encounters. This of course is Jesus’ entreaty to his disciples — that they should be like ‘little children.’…
…the individual whose innocence is fixed upon spiritual realization should genuinely radiate [Rudhyar's Keyword] INNOCENCE.”
I’ve talked about this degree symbol before and how it differs from the other degree symbol that incorporates a lamb in that ‘Mary’s” lamb was always the one sure to follow. That is ‘Spiritual Agencies’ believing in us ..’Humanity’. The complete turnaround of us following them and imploring for their assistance…they are entreating us.
The ‘WHY’ of this to human society as a whole is represented by the symbol for the North Node at the time …which was at 13* Sag. 11′
the 14th degree of Sagittarius [ibid. ...and interestingly it was Dane Rudhyar"s Asc]
“THE GREAT PYRAMID AND THE SPHINX.
KEYNOTE: The enduring power of occult knowledge and of its quasi-divine Custodians, “Seed-men” of a previous cycle of existence.
. ….implies that such an archetypal knowledge remains the foundation upon which men’s minds can still build solid and valid formulations, as new evolutionary developments are pending. This …symbol suggests that this occult knowledge and the traditional process of acquiring it is still available, and that by accepting their principles modern man can best meet the challenge of our present world crisis. …. THE POWER OF SPIRITUAL ANCESTRY.
[and in completion]
“So when Mars goes direct it will be [local time] April 13th, 2012
Mars will be @ 03* Virgo 31′…interestingly this is the degree I get for my proposed birth chart of Yehua/Jesus…the symbol of ‘Brotherhood’ and White and a Black child playing together.
The Cosmos is saying that for Mars/Action to continue on it got stuck at ‘Innocence”…[and , GEE? I can't imagine WHY..can YOU?]
and what this means is we have to back track and stimulate more ‘Brotherhood’ into action…the kind of brotherhood that crosses all perceived boundaries.
The North Node at that time spells it out specifically for Humankind @ 05* 57′
…and it will be a 05* Sag. 02 at the Final return [6//19/2012 @ local time 12:57 pm] so this is a very important symbol to understand why the additional ‘Brotherhood’ understanding/energy and to satisfy that ‘Innocence’ that Mars must meet a certain criteria of
[Rudhyar]
“A GAME OF CRICKET.
KEYNOTE: The development of skill in group-situations testing collective goals.
Any society is built on the interplay between groups of people, each group united by an at least temporary aim. The individual person within the group is assigned a particular role in the play; and definite rules have to be obeyed. The game teaches not only personal skill, but fairness and cooperation. Where this symbol is found, the value of making individual-will or ego-will subservient to collective cultural patterns is emphasized….
This…symbol …. refers to the importance of developing [Rudhyar's Keyword] GROUP SOLIDARITY.”
[local times given are for Folsom, Calif. ..I utilized astrodienst for the charts]
Hi, Moira. Here are some links:
The Magdalen Manuscript
Above is a link to a brief description of the book with some reviews. It is essentially three books – the words of Mary Magdalene channeled through Tom Kenyon to his co-author, Judy Sion; a discussion of alchemy by Kenyon that is dense and comprehensive; and an autobiographical piece by Sion that illustrates some of the points made by both Magdalene and Kenyon. Even if people don’t accept channeling or don’t accept the channeling was of Magdalene, the book is fascinating and even includes meditation exercises.
http://tomkenyon.com/store/alchemies-of-horus
Above link is to the website of one of the authors and a companion cd to the book.
Tom Kenyon’s site is interesting in and of itself. In “articles,” there is an excerpt from the book that you might like. The most exciting part of the book, for me, was the part that is presented as the words of Mary Magdalene channeled through Kenyon to his co-author, Judy Sion. Sion’s autobiographical piece is an important part of the book as well – her story is sadly all too common in the world but her bravery and strength led her to a happy ending when she could have ended up very unhappy.
The information in The Magdalene Manuscript on relationships and meditation is very rich and so worth reading. If you check it out, let me know what you think about it.
Dragonfly, thanks for these links. We’re straying off-topic, though re-visiting concepts of Magdalene during a Mars rx in Virgo doesn’t seem totally off the mark to me ! I don’t know if there’s a method of messaging each other via this site. If not, I can be PM’d at either the Astrodienst forum (Moirae), or the AstroWeekly forum (Moira). I look forward to the reading, and discussing Magdalene more with you!
Moira
a member at the other forum left this observation..
“Wow. Is it significant that Mars went retro almost to the degree squaring the June 15 2011 Lunar eclipse (Sun at 24*Gem 24″ opp. Moon 24*Sag24″) and will turn direct almost exactly at the degree of the August 27 1969 lunar eclipse (Sun 3*Vir 58″ opp. Moon 3* Pis 58″)?”
…I commented overall
Good looking out…thanks for the ‘Heads Up’ observences…I’ll give them some study later this eve.
I’m curious…though, as to Mars getting ‘Stuck’…at ‘INNOCENCE’
..is it because WE no longer have THAT [kind of...specific?...overall?...or?] innocence…or does it mean we have to re-kindle a kind of innocence that unabashed brotherhood is?
…Thoughts…Anyone?
Hi Dave!
I don’t really perceive it as “getting stuck”, so much as realizing that our most honest and “innocent” responses are required to address the topics Mars RX will be introducing during its transit. There are myriad tableaus to address and respond to during this transit (in my own experience so far) and their resolution relies on my care to be as honest in relationship with others as I possibly can be. I have much “business” on my desk, but simple “business” dialogues are not enough to move them to any resolution. The best compromises amongst parties seem to involve the pure innocence of one’s attempts. This is also creating pauses/lapses in the usual business mode of response, but that’s to be expected for a retrograde with one of our action planets (Mercury, Venus, Mars).
I’ve yet to think through all you’ve contributed in your following post. Feel free to contact either Michael or I via PM’s in the Astrodienst or Astroweekly forums, as I noted to Dragonfly in my prior post. This seems the best way to follow-up with each other for now !
Graciously, Moira
I realize that I use a great deal of visual imagery when I cogitate or ruminate over something or the other and I have the habit of expressing my self in the same idiom.
Of course the retrograde movement is just illusory and there is nothing within the realms of actual physics and mechanics is there anything to obstruct Mars in its’ orbit.
Mars has no will of its’ own…at least it has not yet shown any evidence of having any.
In all things it also has to be realized that at most the whole affair is just a localized perspective on a process of nature.
Yet in all things of the Astrological it must be seen and understood as something ordainly procured and demonstrably symbolical. But how do we define this point of a planets orbit?
A hesitancy? An Impasse…?…as that is one term I was very fond of, for awhile.
The ‘Final Return’ is a release of something best described as ‘etherealical’…yet decidedly so as to a principle in effect.
As the degree symbolism can be read in both directions and the counter numeric [clockwise looking down from the North Pole of the Sun] is that of an ‘Evolutionary’ [spiritual] procession it is a symbolical ‘Visit of Stations’ in its’ retrograde proceedings…then brough t back through those very same stations into the mundane world to be applied. The Nodes spelling it out as to the ‘”WHY” …”What’s it All mean”? heard all around the globe that day.
So, yes….’Stuck’ is a term I wouldn’t agree with either…as to these TIMES that they look like they’re about to culminate into sooner or later [IMHO...unlike anything we've seen since the 60s']…cause I think we’re all going to have to take one of the biggest steps forward in the history of mankind to date…else if any might survive to the 22nd Century.
…Come on people now, smile on your Brother….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4fWN6VvgKQ
Hi Dave,
I have been milling over the transits & aspects of Mars Rx 23rd Jan as it conjuncted my N Chiron at 15 Sag where the NN transited that day & as it sextiled N Venus Aqua/N Neptune Libra/Asteroid ATEN-12Aqua
Trine N Pluto 11th as T Mars Rx trined N Mercury 23 Aqua.
The Sabian was so kool “The Pyramid & Sphinx”, in light of the placement of Asteroid ATEN.Along with other factors too numerous to detail,i have deep rooted interests with The Amarna period of Egyptian history & the reign of AKEN-ATEN.Asteroid SPHINX is at 27 Aqua.
On the Progressed Composite chart for Moira & I the Jan 23rd NN was on our N Vesta(Vesta relates to Virgo/Scorpio)14Sag 25 1st
VESTA THEMES:
Discipleship
simplicity
responsible
Personal integration
self-identification
renewal of virginity & separation
meaningful work
dedication to a cause
devotion to a spiritual path
sacrifice to reach goals
elimination of unessential
personal commitment
RULERSHIPS:
Health
meditation
focus on a goal
safety
hospitality
tradition
secret orders & societies
ritual
sexual fears
denial & separation from
personal relationships
Throughout this Mars Rx & return the Transits to our P Composite are astounding with the added Asteroids.The fixed stars i’m not so up on..yet.Yet still so much contributing to our delineation of “The Mission”
The call to brotherhood may be contained in that “seed men of a previous cycle of existence” you mentioned for the Jan 23rd Sabian
implying man can still build upon an Archetypal foundation as new EVOLUTIONARY developments are pending.
Hi Moira and Michael. I felt a little odd intruding upon your thread here but I did want to demonstrate the process I use to interpret these retrograde motions of the planets. If you read the thread I posted a link to called “History in Hindsight” I wrote:
“Mars returned to 23* Aries 43′ on the 29th of Dec., 1941 and the North Node at that time was in the 17th degree of Virgo.
But, Mars, on it’s way to the “Final Return” entered the 22nd degree of Aries on the 23rd of Dec. The Sabian smbol for which is “A PUGALIST ENTERS THE RING.”…gee, a symbol of a trained fighter entering the ring/fray and this happens just after the attack on the USA at Pearl Harbor…
The North Node that day? The 17th of Virgo…Sabian Symbol “A VOLCANIC ERUPTION” keyword: “EXPLOSION”!!!…Sabians!!”
..so it seems that the degrees of the Zodiac that a planet passes through on its’ final return are also of importance to note. That symbol of a “Pugalist entering the Ring” is unmistakable in my opinion.
Be it known that I am completely self taught. My brother Daniel did introduce me to ‘Real Astrology’ in the summer of 1984 when I was 31 years old. It was because of my own Part of Catastrophe at the 17 of Capricorn that was the cause. [The Part of Catastrophe {Asc. + Uranus - Sun} is essential in that it must be fulfilled symbolically. What came up for the chart I believe is that of Jesus/Yeshua is the 28th of Virgo and as Rudhyar defined that degree symbol; ": A BALDHEADED MAN WHO HAS SEIZED POWER.
KEYNOTE: The sheer power of personality in times that call for decision.
Whether at the religious or at the socio-political and cultural level there comes a time when obsolescent patterns of order and cultural refinement have to be radically and relentlessly challenged. Catabolic personages emerge to seize power and dictate decisions that alter the structures of society; or within an individual life, an intense urge for cathartic changes mobilizes the will, and traumatic decisions are made. At such times, the issue has to be met and, ruthless as the power may appear, it must be accepted.
At this third stage of the thirty-sixth sequence we face the un-postponable necessity for decision and transformation. Existence is motion. No static formation, however beautiful and inspiring, can remain long unchallenged. Everything bows to THE POWER OF THE WILL — divine, executively human, or Satanic."
...note the passage about challenging religious and political power structures.
President Obamaa's Part of Catastrophe is the 1st degree of Pisces [using His officially released Hawaiian birth cert.] [ibid.]” IN A CROWDED MARKETPLACE FARMERS AND MIDDLEMEN DISPLAY A GREAT VARIETY OF PRODUCTS.
KEYNOTE: The process of commingling and interchange which at all levels demonstrates the health of a community. [Rudhyar's keyword] COMMERCE.”
George DUBYA Bush’s Part of Catastrophe is the 13th of Cancer is about not being somebody elses’ ‘puppet’ but asserting ones own will.
I think you can see by these examples alone that the Arabic Parts are defined to each individual by the Sabian Symbology found on that Part. The 17th of Capricorn is about giving up inhibition. Let me just say that trying to make a home where people come to ‘party’ [Lake Tahoe] isn’t always such a good idea esp. if one is not well centered or hasn’t defined them self or their life goals.
But, had it not been for that ‘catastrophe’ at that time I would’ve never driven all the way to L.A. from Tahoe in a ’67 Ford Falcon that used a quart of transmission fluid every 150 miles and arrived just as he had finished two years of unemployment during which time he had devoured every book he could get his hands upon on astrology.
My path had always been that of Edgar Cayce, Ram Das, Parmahansa Yagananda, Alan Watts…my brother more Carlos Castaneda, Jung, and also Edgar Cayce [our parents were avid readers of everything Cayce].
As Cayce had admonished against using Astrology and my parents concurred I was very reticent and skeptical of his ‘new found path’ [or belief..or whatever...] He handed me Sakoian and Ackers Astrologers Handbook, Rudhyars ‘Astrology of Personality’, Danes book on the Sabians and a 20th century ephemeris and told me to study those as they would be all i would need. …He was right.
I had heard of Rudhyar before but only because in 1978 I had run into my college roommate from my sophomore year that had turned me onto ‘Be Here Now’ in 1972 and gave him high praise for turning me onto a book that radically changed my life for the better and he told me that he found Dane Rudhyar to be far more enlightening especially via an odd little book Dane published called ‘A Seed’ [of which I did get a copy...long since disappeared and impossible to find nowadays].
So, that is the basis of my Astrological education…that and utilizing it to understand the women I dated in the years to follow which grew into doing comparability readings for couples. the rest of the story you can get from all the threads I have in various forums around the internet under the name David Mastrogiovanni, or Mastry as is my legal name and the name I published my one book under ‘A Template for the Time. The Astrological Birth Chart of Jesus.” TGS Publishing, Frankston, Texas…or under my net-name piercethevale…[an homage to Parsival or Parsifal...how ever you prefer.]
Thus, all that being said and understood I can state [and assume you'll all understand me when I say] I use what works based on nearly 28 years of trial and observation. I hold no allegiance to any ‘school’ or type of astrology other than what works …what has proven itself.
As I see you are into some study concerning Mary Magdelena I figure you for researchers into the Priory of Zion..Templar legend material.
Cool…I’m all about ‘Glastonbury’ myself. The Priory at Glastonbury is what I believe to be ‘The Real Deal’.
If there is a way to send a private message here let me know as I would like to discuss some things privately…if you are serious sleuths as to the what occurred after the Crucifixion I have some info/observations/evidence for which you will want to know of…as to any veracity to any of it…that’s up to you to decide…I try not to ram anything down anyones throat concerning spiritual matters.
I have been a practitioner of yoga since the summer of 1968 and became a chela of the Sadhan Order of Yoga of India under Sri Prabhu Ram Lal in 2008 through the gracious intercession on my behalf by a member of astrodiensts’ forum that petitioned the Order on my behalf for acceptance. [Although I am a particularly rare yogi that needs no Guru or Archetype only the actual Logos as my guide...as explained by Swami Sivananda in his book on Japa Yoga...I tell you this so as to assure you I have no 'interests or motives' as to push, promote etc. any religion or belief system.]
Here’s a link to my book…you can read the foreword in which I state this…[it says I believe Jesus to be 'the greatest avatar to ever have been on Earth..more correctly it should say as great if not the greatest...] and here’s a link to an archived internet radio interview I did a few years ago..not my best interview…but the only internet radio interview and which can still be listened too…note, that the interviewer, Dr. Reggie, and I had no prior discussion as to what I was going to be talking about and He didn’t realize that one hour was just barely enough time to cover the basics and I do have to fend him off a couple few times during the show so as to stay on topic…and it gets a bit tedious to listen to at times…but it covers all the basic material…although a great many new revelations have come up since such as reading the symbols in reverse order from Virgo 30* and that the ‘Esoteric School’ of Astrology [associated with Theosophy] was obviously correct in that it should be read in reverse ..only it is from Virgo 30* and not Aries 1* as they have believed….thus the I.C. being interpreted as the HOW of the natal chart becomes the WHY and the M.C. becomes the HOW [which you'll find does make far more sense..after all the 10th house cusp does represent ones 'profession'...and that is 'HOW'..is it not...?
My book {and, I'm not about the $$$...haven't seen a dime from it year except for the one personal copy I sold to a woman two years ago...I'm selling truth not books...and truth I sell for free...be sure to click the cover for details to read the foreword and an excerpt] http://hiddenmysteries.com/xcart/home.php?cat=551
..and the internet radio interview: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/wow-radio/2007/11/14/astrology-expert-dave-mastry-the-birth-chart-of-jesus-found
..and please send me a way to have some ‘private correspondence’ as you’ll want to know a few things if you continue to delve into any more of these techniques I’ve been promoting or the few that I seem to be the only source of [those techniques I believe to be ancient but there is no record of ..thus, people claim I have 'invented'...{they said the same thing about Rudhyar...and we all know this is a most ancient science and I believe as Rudhyar himself stated that one day it will not only be recognized as a science but the "Mother of All Science".
OM Tat Sat OM [Sanskrit, meaning: May Gods Truth Be Made Manifest {Revealed}]
Eternal Love and Light, Dave Mastry, Devananda.
ps, I utilize the talents of a wonderful clairvoyant by the name of Clarisse Conner, at times for additional help in understanding some matters..and she has never failed me…she can see the past and the present without flaw [I never use a 'seer' for the future..besides, that's the one thing the Bible does prohibit...not using one to see the future..the present and the past is another matter and is not prohibited by the Bible... We can go over all this some other time. You'll notice Clarisse wrote the intro to my book at my request. [she predicted I would write and about my 'great discovery' ...long before I had a clue as to anything involving any of this] ..but I digress..I wish to note that I asked about the asteroids having actually been a planet at one time and whether they still rule Sagittarius and Pisces and she agreed…that the planet that was between Mars and jupiter was real and is the proper ruler of those two signs..I asked her ‘How do we account for it’s influence’..she said, “I see wormholes opening and closing..here and there..”… [as my brother told me years ago he had read in some very occult and ancient tome that "Lucifer shattered this planet as to confuse Mankinds' psyche"...and I believe it may in fact be written in the book 'Hamlet's Mill'...but if not, then definitely something very occult and esoteric as only my brother could come across and get access to something as such...{He has an I.Q. over 140 ..would've been Valdectorian of his H.S. class but for a 'B' in P.E. his senior year {politics}did a fall semester at Glendale Jr. College in 1973..went back to college in 2001 and as of 2008 had earned a B.S. in Organic Chemistry, B.S. in Biology, B.S in Computer Science, a B.A. in English Literature and a Masters in Teaching ...all from Western New Mexico State University. ..he is presently earning 2 or 3 more degrees.]
So, as far as using asteroids…I’m keeping my eye on Chiron, Juno, Veata, Pallas and Ceres and have seen evidence that they do seem to be of influence and that influences attributed to them…but not 100% of the time..and as far as ub313 or Eris goes..her advice is ‘To Forget it’ it doesn’t have astrological influence of any kind..it never has and it never will…as it doesn’t even belong in our solar system…I can discuss some more about that by pm…if you are at all curious.
I hope to hear from you two, Moira and Michael…and am looking forward to it actually.
“and as far as ub313 or Eris goes..her advice is ‘To Forget it’ it doesn’t have astrological influence of any kind..it never has and it never will…as it doesn’t even belong in our solar system…”
Disagree strongly. The fixed stars are not in our Solar system either, but we still use them!
Hi again, Dave –
You’ve introduced a lot of material here! Perhaps that’s a function of reviewing our personal mythos’ during this particular Mars RX cycle ? Questions of relevancy, purpose, right action come into meditation. Jamie & Marina had noted in the essay that a Mars RX transit seems like a voyage through one’s 12th house.
It’s difficult to respond to merely one of the ideas in your post, so I’ve chosen the one I’m most compelled to examine at the moment:
[quote]and as far as ub313 or Eris goes..her advice is ‘To Forget it’ it doesn’t have astrological influence of any kind..it never has and it never will…as it doesn’t even belong in our solar system [/quote]
To this I’ll share that a year ago I could’ve given a whit about the stars and ‘stroids, and many other seemingly trivial concerns regarding chart analysis. My own perspective has shifted through observation of some of these theories in play. Jamie’s Uranian or cosmobioligist approach to chart analysis via the focus on planetary/point aspects was one particular illumination. Marina’s research into the potential mythos of the asteroids/TNO’s/TPO’s was yet another. Eris is one she’s delineated in this site.
It’s my instinct that astrology is on a new “modernizing” brink via the marriage of quickening-new astronomical discoveries with a certain new perspective on the oldest foundations of astrological theory. These are combining into new merger-theories, represented by the interests of each astrologer. Rather breathless and exciting times ! These are certainly times to keep one’s mind wide-open (innocent?) to the potential impact of the “lesser” entities in the development of modern astrology, while coincidentally investigating the “Pyramid and Sphynx” of historical astrological foundations.
A thought in context of the Sabians for the start of this MarsRX transit.
Moira
this mars retro has been stressful for me so far. man, it’s like I’m receiving calls from every a’hole requiring assistance in my temp help desk job! LOL!
mars retro has been lingering over my natal pluto in the 7th house and I’ve been fielding calls from every whiny person requiring technical help but then refuses to listen to every solution I give out in order to fix their computer problem. talk about mars and pluto conjunction! hehehehe.
just taking my time and buckling down…trying to remind myself that all of it will soon pass! hopefully sooner.
Mars through Virgo’s being particularly brutal to me right now, and with it retrograde, it’s getting its “second wind.”
Essentially it’s retrograding and getting ready to hit my natal Midheaven again, which is NOT helping things careerwise right now. Basically, Human Resources thinks I’m playing hooky with all the sick days I’ve had to take, when really I really have been catching just about every cold and stomach illness that hits, not long enough to justify paying for a doctor’s visit, but enough to put me in a deficit (and the fact the water heater went out and started leaking all over the place in my house a day after I returned from being sick and me having to take off to help my dad replace that did not help). I have a strong feeling I’ll require other lines of income very soon here, which if that happens will leave me with no recent positive references for future jobs. Eh, I’ve had a vibe I should do my own stuff for awhile. HOWEVER, transiting Neptune is exactly opposite my sun right now. And more ugly is, transit Neptune will start becoming more opposite my natal Saturn (which is about 3 degrees or so from my sun)… around the same time Mars stations and starts going direct. Right on my natal Saturn I might add, which is also square my natal Ascendant. Right around the time I should have my 2nd annual review for my job, assuming I haven’t moved on by then. Awesome.
The manifestations are getting quite ugly. Now, I’ve also heard 10th house relates to the father figure in some way (I think), and I came home tonight as well to find dad still up, researching his medications. Most of which he has been prescribed recently… and most of which when taken together have particularly nasty (and potentially fatal or debilitating (i.e. highly increased risks of cancer) over an extended period). I feel compelled to also add transiting Chiron is opposite natal Saturn and square natal Ascendant at the moment, and when all those transits occur with the Mars stationing direct, transit Pluto will also be retrograde and on my natal Ceres (2nd house).
Somewhere in the middle of all this is supposed to be a Mercury retrograde too, isn’t there?
I’ll have to describe what else is happening when Mars leaves the shadow zone completely at a later time, but that’s ALSO A busy transit chart. (And I think at the same time the first of several Pluto/Uranus squares becomes exact). All I can add right now is, it looks like monumental change is inevitable on my end.
JON R
I remember well the transit of Neptune to my 4th house as it conjuncted My Sun back in the early 80′s.Only After i paddled my way through the WATER & pipe leaks could i begin to appreciate the nebulous benefits of Neptune which for me was also impacting a very adamant Grand Cross on the angles…..and i’m still here & loving it.With Mars RX i’d say it’s maybe calling to turn the sails into the wind and face any maelstrom,but i’d still check the pipes in the house.
Hello,
What’s your take on surgery during a mars rx? I’ve heard it’s bad, though I had surgery years ago when mars was rx and it turned out fine.
Surgery on old issues seems to be a theme of the Mars retrograde … maybe that’s the methodology of how it works. Mars is a sign of “sugery” … just because the planet is retrograde doesn’t mean we’ve lost faculty with our tools. In my opinion, it’s a matter of the “tools” being applied to the most pertinent issues. In an RX transit, this will be tools applied to resolving old issues.
I’ve got similar medical factors in play now, and hope to resolve them before this transit’s done. The “sources” are historic, and now seems like the best time to address/resolve them.
Moira