Saturn Square Neptune ~ Sept 2016

Neptune has been in Pisces since February 3 2012 and will stay there until 2025. The planet Neptune is one to be very suspicious of. As I have said before in other posts, Neptune can disguise itself as a saviour and angelic being, when underneath lurks the dark cupid/demon, out to vamp your lifeblood dry. I spoke about this in my ‘Twin Flames or Hell Fire’ post.

 Lana Lokteff’s addresses the negative and positive side of Neptune with her post “Neptune in Pisces 2012-2025, An Ideal Time For The Globalists”. “Considering the current state of our world, things can go either really good or really bad during the next 13 years. Either we believe a lie and become easily led into the murky water of our demise or we utilize these influences to truly enlighten ourselves so we can break the spell holding us hostage in an artificial world. The time for new ideology is here but what way will it go?”

Lana wrote that post back in Jan 2012 and now we are in the midst of Neptune literally dissolving boundaries between nations. In Europe, Germany’s Angela Merkel, seems to be taking the lead with this globalist/one world ideal. So we might like to look at Neptune as having a NWO agenda too… The ‘order’ (Saturn.) part is much easier to implement when we are ‘all one.’ (Neptune.). So with Saturn in Sagittarius, we approach the first of its challenging periods with one of three squares between Saturn and Neptune.

Saturn Square Neptune Dates: 26 November 2015, June 18 2016 & Sept 10 2016. This aspect is also triggered at the September 1 Solar Eclipse.

Saturn Square Neptune 2016

Germany is the magnet that the refugees and migrants are being drawn to, watch Syrian Girl on youtube for an alternative view of what we don’t see on the mass media. In the end, it’s the common folk who live with the fall-out, while the leaders are protected in sanitised, gated developments, far, far away from the clashes on the streets.

In Angela Merkel’s natal chart, she has Neptune conjunct MC on fixed star Spica, a brilliant and greatly fortunate star. Robson says Spica with Neptune gives “Well-born, comfortable surroundings, always sufficiently well off, associated with companies, gain through legacies” Neptune sits in its ivory tower, shining like a saviour at the top of her chart. Spica is the star found in the sprig of wheat that Virgo holds. Spica is associated with Ceres which is the super-nurse and carer. Ceres is related to empath Persephone, whose compassion for the dying pulled her down into the underworld. Saturn is harsh reality and intolerance however!

Refugee Crisis & ‘Saviour’ Merkel

Saturn is the boundary-setting that a lot of bleeding-heart Persephone types need to activate when they get involved with vampiric adult babies with ‘problems’…. You can’t save every single lost soul in the underworld! Neptune has a problem setting boundaries both literally and psychically. But being careful what you invite in, doesn’t make you a bad person.

Saturn square Neptune is about addressing where you draw the line and so called ‘enlightened’ people can be the worst at this. As an astrologer, witnessing the trouble Neptune causes in relationships has left me very skeptical about this planet. Everyone thinks that they can handle Neptune at ‘a high vibration’, but 85% of the time, they can’t.

Saturn square Neptune connected to a personal planet can be likened to a parent who has a pattern of rescuing partners. Unfortunately in mothering the ‘broken’ partner, the parents own children suffer from neglect. Ironically this ‘absent parent’ behaviour is most likely the cause of broken/Neptunian behaviours the first place. It’s self-perpetuating. Where will it end? We are caught in this loop now. The domestic microcosm reflects in the macrocosm. Neptune doesn’t really recognise time, and if all timelines are now, why care about the future? It’s just an illusion man… Saturn on the other hand is conservative, it knows that what one sows, one reaps as Chronos the keeper of time.

Vampiric Adult Babies

saturn square neptuneAstrology of course is all about time-keeping and the quality of the moment. It is wonderful we can peak into the past to see what might happen in the future. That’s why history is so important, providing we can question it, since history can be propaganda too and dictate our present actions.

The beginning of this Saturn square Neptune cycle started when Saturn was conjunct Neptune in Capricorn in 1989.

  • The Berlin wall came down on Nov 9 1989 when Saturn was exactly conjunct Neptune (0º 14′).
  • Nov 1 1989, the first dial up internet connection was made. Talk about dissolving boundaries!

We are at the waning square of this Saturn/Neptune cycle now. (If anyone is interesting in further research, the waxing Saturn square Neptune was in 1998/99 and Saturn opposition Neptune in 2005/6.) When Mercury makes a conjunction with Saturn, it in turn activates the square to Neptune. Keep an eye on the what is portrayed in the news, TV and social media. Mars activations will bring out bitter revenge tactics.

Mercury and Saturn will probably throw up some whopping lies, while Neptune continues its sorcery with media propaganda. It’s quite amazing how a small region like Hollywood in the USA can influence so many people in the world. With this square over the next year we will be looking at who controls (Saturn) the media (Neptune.) I urge you to watch The Century Of The Self  which “tells the untold and sometimes controversial story of the growth of the mass-consumer society in Britain and the United States. How was the all-consuming self created, by whom, and in whose interests? The Freud dynasty is at the heart of this compelling social history. “

The Political Arena in 2016

UPDATE AUGUST 2016.* I recently came across Glenn Perry’s excellent article on Saturn square Neptune he says “With Saturn square Neptune exact three times this year, a transparent film of lies has settled across the globe like a toxic pesticide. Examples are legion but I will focus on three, which, because they are expressions of the same archetypal dynamic, intersect like Borromean rings: 1) the Hillary Clinton scandals involving Benghazi and her private email server; 2) the Black Lives Matter movement, and 3) ISIS propaganda that exhorts its followers to commit murder-suicide.”

The article is well worth a read as it goes into this years politics throughly and fairly, in a way I have not seen from most astrologers who tend to glorify Neptunian traits. Glenn says on Neptune; “While spiritual practice and charitable service is the healthy expression of Neptune, this can be misallocated via victim-saviour dynamics that entail the enabling of bad behaviour. Neptunian over functioning, or “co-dependency”, is again fuelled by excessive and irrational guilt as evidenced when “saviours” feel compelled to rescue “victims” from the natural consequences of their own self-defeating actions”

*I wrote this article at the beginning of the year, before all the terrorist and sex attacks in France and Germany happened. Thanks Angela..

18 thoughts on “Saturn Square Neptune ~ Sept 2016

  1. My guy and I have Neptune and Saturn in opposition. His Neptune is op my Saturn, and is on his Asc, he’s a very talented musician! He can literally pick up anything and play any song on it. (I have my own natal Neptune on the Dsc and Saturn almost on the Asc, 1972 they were almost opposite, I don’t have a musical bone in my body..)

    The Saturn Neptune play between us is quite hilarious. He is chronically late, and I am chronically early. It works. Somehow, God knows how, it actually works for us. We balance. He mellows me out, and I keep him on track sometimes.
    He also smokes weed, and it doesn’t seem to have any negative effects on him at all, he stays functional. And it’s my least favorite thing to do.. lol I can’t handle it!
    I prefer a nice glass of wine.
    I have spent a while thinking about this aspect between us, seems like a very major thing, and yet somehow it’s not a negative. We’ve managed to transmute it somehow into something that works.

  2. Hi Marina, I have a big Neptune sq Neptune at the end of this week. I looked but couldn’t find anything @ Darkstar about this paradigm mover and shaker.I have Neptune at 7 degrees Sag..Coincidentally my birthday is 7th day December..With Neptune in my 9th house. What light can you shine on the Celestial influences I need be aware?

  3. Saturn and neptune are part of a triple grand trine synastry for me and my husband. Lots of dreams coming true, or crashing into reality. The one that’s in the trine falls into his 8th/my 2nd so it always felt like a fated bind, but the saturn can act to block physical intimacy (supported by the “dream about it not do it” neptune)

  4. I respectfully disagree that it’s either/or. If the potential is there for both — in this case, for delusion or enlightenment — then both processes will unfold, the balance will remain, and life will go on.

  5. was wondering about the timelines of other lifetimes ,think its activated by the pluto in water signs ie pluto cancer natzis, pluto scorp isis. mass migration journeying to other hidden destinies ,Saturn hard life experiencies,Neptune piscies nebulouse, past life ,12th house resonances, saviour merkel.what resonances are re sounding to pluto in pisces.

  6. I think your being too Negative about Neptune in your post. I have found Neptune in Pisces to be a FAR BETTER experience then when Neptune was in Aquarius.

    Or course Neptune is not at it’s BEST in Aquarius. But the Results between the TWO are Stunningly Different. In the 2000’s, in the Visual Arts, Damien Hirst became the World’s greatest living artist, and charlatan! And Science & Technology Prescribed the Outcomes of Folly. Neptune in Pisces lets the masses swim the seas unabated.

    Neptune, i think is about, ORBS in higher consciousness. And Neptune activates the ORBs of thinking differently in each sign. During the 1980’s when Neptune was in Capricorn BUSINESS became all the RAGE like in the ridiculous movie “The Secret to My Success” Moving UP the Illusionary LADDER in Business World stole peoples centre of Gravity from them. Just as Pharmaceutical Drugs did the same during Aquarius in the 2000’s. Like with the Movie “Garden State” (2004).

    The GREAT THING about Neptune is it KNOWs it is a Mirage. But that Mirage is always somewhat Spectacular to experience… it NOT ?.

    So don’t BLAME Neptune for how other planets interact with it! Blame the Person for the ignorance of their OWN Fantasies! Like the IRAQ WAR, the VENOM is in the Illusion U Drawn! Not in the Planets themselves.

    Neptune in Pisces divides the Heavens into a Lower Realm and an Upper Realm…..SINK or Swim…….but even in the Dark Vial it is a Sweet Splendour, is it not?

    None of that RUFF THUG!

  7. First Saturn square Neptune happened in 2015 with Neptune on my DC and I met someone who I thought is more than anything I ever dreamed of. He is a media tycoon with reputation of being larger than life. He was very consistent with his pursuing for more than a month and then the first time we went to bed together he freaked out, decided he wasn’t ready for it and so on. I generally have a problem with setting boundaries, but as a result of many years of internal work, I have been able to set them lately, this time as well. However I still haven’t recovered from the shock and a part of me would love to go back and “help him” or if I am honest with myself – help him love ME and fulfill MY fantasy.

    I like to think of myself as of a pretty evolved creature, but Neptune is just not a 3D energy. It IS an energy and I can definitely feel it profoundly (I have Sun opposite Neptune in my natal chart), but since it started going across my DC I haven’t been able to materialize a relationship. Yes, you can feel the connection and yes, the strings between people can hurt physically if you happen to be a sensitive person and yes, you can still maintain your consciousness. You can handle the energy, in terms of feeling it, understanding it and letting it change you for the better. But to think you can handle situations and especially “people” represented by Neptune is self-delusional and a huge waste of time. What you see and feel are not real people, rather collective projections.

    I can’t wait for this transit to be over, it is painfully slow and unmaterialistic.

  8. interesting. Myself I met up with a stranger in the dark spaces wielding a fist full of dollars hardly noting my presence. I got clear that it wasn’t the dollars it was the time. U know Saturn will come conj. pluto in Capricorn down the road. There will be for some karma of time. jealousy of time. etc. I hope I can set those boundaries mentioned about Neptune. orbs. or whatever. Anything but drugs. or sufferings.

  9. An interesting article as i ponder trans-saturn con my Chiron/sext my Neptune & trans-Neptune con my P-Sun.

  10. It’s so true about the ‘vampiric adult babies!’ I have the Saturn Square Neptune aspect in my Natal Chart and have attracted these vampire adult babies! I don’t hang around with one of them in particular anymore as she always succeeded in lowering my mood every time I saw her! I look back and actually feel a bit resentful of her blood sucking miserable behaviour now. She always had depressing stories to tell me, like I was some kind of mop that was just going to mop up at the s*** for her, so she good feel god and I feel depressed! Anyway, I’m just confirming their behaviour. The ones of us who have the hard Saturn/Neptune aspect have to protective ourselves from these people.

  11. And those of us who have Saturn square Neptune need to watch out that we don’t become vampires! But if we cannot confide with our friends without becoming too burdensome, what do we do instead? Psychiatric /counseling help is not always available. :/

  12. I find this period interesting and would like to observe this objectively but I don’t think that will be possible. 🙂 The Neptune- Saturn square is hitting my natal Saturn from both sides, Neptune is opposite my natal Saturn in the 6th house and Saturn is squaring that same Saturn in the 6th house. 😀 Yaaay for me.
    The only nice thing about the transiting Saturn is that it’s trining my Ascendant. I guess that also makes Neptune semi-sextiling my Ascendant…
    I just wish all the difficult aspects of the past few years would finally stop triggering my chart.

  13. 1998 also saw the establishment of Google. Anthroposophy sees the Internet as a demonic, controlling force (666 “devil” theories).. while it dissolves boundaries too.

  14. This post and another I read recently got me thinking about neptune very much. I was wondering your insight on Yogi Bhajan, as he had neptune on his sun. An article on various spiritual leaders would be very interesting!

  15. Could you clarify what the meaning is r/t the 2) Black Lives Matter movement in your comment “UPDATE AUGUST 2016.* I recently came across Glenn Perry’s excellent article on Saturn square Neptune he says “With Saturn square Neptune exact three times this year, a transparent film of lies has settled across the globe like a toxic pesticide. Examples are legion but I will focus on three, which, because they are expressions of the same archetypal dynamic, intersect like Borromean rings: 1) the Hillary Clinton scandals involving Benghazi and her private email server; 2) the Black Lives Matter movement, and 3) ISIS propaganda that exhorts its followers to commit murder-suicide.””

    For instance, is his reference that the movement is really negative, but purporting to be positive–or??? Many thanks!

    1. I think you might have to clarify that with him, but I assume, sandwiched between the other two, he would regard BML as negative purporting to be positive.

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