Saturn In Sagittarius ~ DisOrdered

Saturn travels through Sagittarius decan 3 until December 20 2017. Decan 3 starts from the 20º 00′ mark. After that, Saturn will enter Capricorn after two and half years in Sagittarius. So what is is store for us in the last leg of this transit? Saturn has not been feeling comfortable in expansive, globe-trotting Sagittarius. Since Saturn entered this sign, the issue of open borders and immigration has hit the news like never before.

Of course the refugee crisis went much deeper than just Saturn in Sagittarius (Simple ‘fear of foreigners’). The main trigger to any so-called ‘xenophobia’ was the Saturn square Neptune of 2016 which brought up the need for setting boundaries. Natives started to question whether overloading their (cells) ‘culture’ with too many foreign bodies all at once was such a good idea. A nation has an immune system just like a human body does.

The most difficult section of Saturn in Sagittarius was probably Saturn Retrograde on Antares (9º Sagittarius) from Jul 4 to Aug 12 2016. July was the bloodiest month for ISIS terror attacks in Europe. Meanwhile in the states July/August saw demonstrations and riots from BLM supporters (Proceeded by the horrendous Orlando terrorist shooting). Saturn stationing direct on Antares made the aggressive energy even more potent.

Saturn In Sagittarius Decan 3

We have had the worst of Saturn in Sagittarius, but now it is time to deal with the fall out! Thankfully Saturn in Sagittarius 3 paves the way for Saturn’s entrance into the sign that it rules, Capricorn.  So ‘Order, order!!!’ because Saturn actually rules Sagittarius decan 3 using the Chaldean system. It makes it more comfortable for Saturn to do what he does best, building security and stability. As you can see from the fixed stars interpretations below there are some bumps on the road ahead though! I think these obstacles will only make those facing them stronger and more determined.

Dis-ordered Crystals

Saturn In SagittariusAustin Coppock says of Saturn in Sagittarius 3 that this decan is mainly about acting under pressure “If one can overcome the difficulties that reside within this face there is little that can’t be accomplished.” he says Saturn here becomes “unswervable over time, capable of the self sacrifice necessary to achieve great works” This decan contains the Galactic Center which makes it rather special. I called Sagittarius Decan 3Dis-ordering Crystals & Illuminating Shade’  In researching this decan I realised that a lot of this decans traits could be associated with Aspergers or ADHD and shows a strong divine masculine energy. In all this Saturn darkness, ironically, this decan can produce the greatest ‘light workers’. These ‘Crystals’ are the spiritual warriors who, when feeling psychically strong, can influence enough minds to cause a massive uprising.

Dates for Saturn in Sagittarius ~ Decans

Saturn in Sagittarius Decan 1 ~ Internet Pestilence. Dec 23 2014 – June 14 2015. Sept 17 to Dec 21 2015.
Saturn in Sagittarius Decan 2 ~ Pagan Law. Dec 22 2015 – Dec 19 2016.
Saturn in Sagittarius Decan 3 ~ Dis-ordered Crystals. Dec 20 2016 – Dec 20 2017

Sagittarius decan 3 energy works in the background, spreading wisdom, shocking us out of complacency, and inspiring us to do something magical with our lives. They are dangerous because they have the power to move many souls into awakening; enough to cause a tsunami of enlightenment that will prove unstoppable once the momentum gets going. This is why they have to be controlled; this is why they have to be drugged, belittled, exiled, silenced, mind-controlled and made to feel like they have a ‘disorder’.

Sagittarius decan 3 ARE dissing-order, but that doesn’t mean we have to fall into anarchy! (Not with Saturn in Capricorn around the corner.) It just goes without saying that the current ‘order’ that is being ‘dissed’ has not been beneficial for the planet. So Sagittarius decan/Eris/Ophuichus 3 types, the future of the human race is in your hands. Sadly, the responsibility can be just too much to handle for some and zoning out with the ‘medicines’ of the snake venom can occur. But to those who managed to work their magic without selling their souls to the devil, we salute you. Those challenged by Saturn in Sagittarius activating their Sun, Moon, AC or MC will be the ones mopping up the mess.

Saturn In Sagittarius ~ Decan 1 & 2 Review

So how has Saturn in Sagittarius panned out so far? When Saturn entered Sagittarius Decan 1 in early 2015, coalition forces led by the USA started its war on Islamic State in Syria. On the other hand on April 2015 it was reported that “Between 5,000 and 6,000 Europeans have traveled to Syria to join the Islamic State, the EU Commissioner for Justice says, stressing that 1,450 of them are French citizens.”

Saturn In Sagittarius Decan 1 ~ Internet Pestilence

The peak time of the ‘Refugee Crisis’ (In terms of passage across the Mediterranean) actually occurred with Saturn Retrograding back into Scorpio decan 3 from Jun 14 to Sept 17 2015. At that time Europeans were unaware that only 1 in 5 of the refugees were actually from war-torn Syria. So we welcomed them with open arms. Sagittarius decan 1 “The great attraction for foreign cultures that comes with Sagittarius serves decan 1 well when looking for herbs (Or drugs..), cures and enlightenment from far and wide.” This decan tends to look favourably at foreigners. It is not xenophobic in any way, but the so-called ‘refugee crisis’ turned out to be a Trojan horse. For Saturn in Sagittarius decan 1, Internet Pestilence: I wrote “With Saturn in Sagittarius we could see tighter controls on information as there is a rush to expose that that has been hidden for so long.” By end of Saturn in Sagittarius 1 the blinkers were off and alternative media began reporting what the mainstream media wouldn’t.

Saturn in Sagittarius Decan 2 ~ Pagan Law

Saturn entered Sagittarius 2 on 21 Dec 2015. New Years day 2016 saw Europe waking up to a year where it would see the fall out of the ‘refugee crisis’. Sexual attacks by migrants in Germany and Sweden could no longer be suppressed by the mainstream as the ‘internet pests’ did their own reporting. This of course led to a revival of a so-called ‘populist’ rebellion with the Brexit referendum vote in the UK and Trump’s Victory in the USA. For Saturn In Sagittarius Decan 2 Pagan Law: I wrote “Saturn is now set in its trajectory. Saturn’s agenda is revealed and understood, so it meets forces that oppose it. Saturn in Sagittarius 2 karmically binds you very securely to its course, so you better be damn sure you want to go there!”

It’s funny that both election results have had attempts to overturn their decisions. The recent attempts to ban Twitter accounts and discredit the Alternative News channels with calling them ‘Fake news’ are only proof of that. The main star of Sagittarius Decan 2 was Ras Algethi in Hercules. Both election results seemed to be a Herculean task for populists. At the time of writing that section of this post (Dec 2015) I didn’t even know Trump would be the Republican candidate for the US election, but I do think he is a very Hercules type of of personality.

In the Sagittarius 2 section I wrote “What I like about Hercules that at least here we have something more akin to a hero we can trust again. Someone who wears his heart on his sleeve.. The uneducated man with a good heart who has no agenda.” Saturn was on Ras Algethi on the day of the US Presidential Election. What you see is what you get with Hercules and Trump seemed to fit in with the Zeitgeist.

Saturn & Fixed Stars In 2017

Saturn In SagittariusThe dates below are when Saturn is in orb to the fixed star. The length of time Saturn is on orb varies due to the fact Saturn speeds up and slows down as it stations direct or retrograde. Saturn is Retrograde from Apr 6 to Aug 26.

Jan 7 to 15/ Rx Jul 10 to 23/ Sep 26 to Oct 12

Sagittarius 22º 27’Ras Alhague in the head of Ophuichus the Serpent Bearer 2.1
With Saturn: “Selfish, unpopular, determined, fixed opinions, successful, somewhat dishonest, domestic disharmony through jealousy, marriage partner may be invalid, losses of a Mercurial nature.” [1a]

Jan 26 to Feb 2/Rx Jun 9 to 21/Oct 25 to Nov 4

Sagittarius 24º 01’ Lesath in the stinger of Scorpius the Scorpion 2.8
Sagittarius 24º 35’ ~ Shaula in the stinger of Scorpius the Scorpion 1.6
With Saturn: “According to tradition, Lesath [and Shaula] in conjunction with … Saturn, could point to danger from wild animals, either to be ripped up by them, massacred, or torn into pieces. This medieval interpretation is no longer correct in these days. At present, a configuration involving this star points to accidents, catastrophes, or operations.” [2] Robson says of Lesath generally “It gives danger, desperation, immorality and malevolence, and is connected with acid poisons.” [1b]

Feb 6 to 17 /Rx May 26 to Jun 8/ Nov 5 to 14

Sagittarius 25º 20’Kelb Alrai in the right shoulder of Ophuichus the Snake Charmer 2.9
Generally Ophuichus: “It is said to give a passionate, blindly good-hearted, wasteful and easily seduced nature, unseen dangers, enmity and slander. Pliny said that it occasioned much mortality by poisoning.” [1c]

Feb 21 to Mar 13/ Rx May 7 to 22/Nov 15 to 27

Sagittarius 26º 51’ ~ Galactic Center. A very important point but so far I can find no information about Saturn here. More has been written about Pluto’s pass here in 2007. Lyn Koiner says “For those of you who know Theosophy, I will say that it incorporates Ray IV energies to the planet. Ray IV is the sensitive and intuitive ray energy – it is sensitive to sound, color and vibration. It is not exactly sensitive like Neptune because the Galactic Center has an Uranus ‘feel’ to it.” 

Mar 18 to Apr 5/Rx Apr 5 to May 7/Nov 28 to Dec 7

Sagittarius 27º 58’ Etamin in the right eye of Draco the Dragon. 2.4
Generally Draco “gives an artistic and emotional but somber nature, a penetrating and analytical mind, much travel and many friends but danger of robbery and of accidental poisoning. It was said by the Ancients that when a comet was here poison was scattered over the world.” (This last happened with Comet Ison from Dec 26 2013 to Jan 3 2014.)

Dec 4 to 16

Sagittarius 28º 45’ Acumen star cluster above the stinger of Scorpius the Scorpion 3.2
With Saturn “To suffer hardships which fuel personal motivation or anger. Striving to help those in hardship or facing hardships to fulfil ones passions. Bitterness and anger at hardships endured by others.” [3]

1. Fixed Stars and Constellations in Astrology. Vivian E. Robson, 1923. p. 193, p.173 & p.54
2. Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928, p.73.
3. Star & planets Combinations. Bernadette Brady. p.81
4. The 36 Faces. Austin Coppock. p.206

64 thoughts on “Saturn In Sagittarius ~ DisOrdered

  1. Good call – If I can find it I have one of Paul La Violette’s books, Earth Under Fire. Might dig that out too – he reckoned the most telling events came from Sagitta (the arrow) which is at the region of the GC and these “events” had huge effects on our evolution. What is interesting is that the GC is not in any of the old mythologies we use in astrology – so it awaits its own story. Of course Stephen Hawking etc have it down as a “black hole” – the analogy of a monster which sucks everything in and devours it – but the reality is the opposite! The GC is a massive energy zone which throws out power and light! Hawking’s personal myth of course is of motor neurone disease which has devoured him… but yes – Saturn in that position previously would be really interesting to study and if its there for most of 2017 – useful to know more!
    Have you got any thoughts on Belegeuse in this too since Saturn will oppose it from 28° Sag – and gong off piste a bit, Pluto Mercury oppose Sirius at this time. Back to you Star Woman!!!

  2. Hi Marina
    A question re the Galactic Centre – is it a “point” because its so huge it actually occupies about 4° of space??? And this is sort of illusionary since how we measure things in space doesn’t tally with how they might influence us! ?? I’m sort of thinking aloud here so don’t anyone come down on me like a ton of celestial bricks!!
    The Galactic Center is the rotational center of the Milky Way. The estimates for its location range from 7.6 to 8.7 kiloparsecs (about 25,000 to 28,000 lightyears) from Earth in the direction of the constellations Sagittarius, Ophiuchus, and Scorpius where the Milky Way appears brightest.
    When we’re talking about light years to describe the width of something, IMO the entire planet is subject to the GC – the influence is not just confined within a coupe of degrees of orb??
    Esoterically Sagittarius is said to govern human evolution – and from this aspect of the greater hierarchy (spiritual/non material etc) life forms were stimulated… IMO humanity is a spiritual experience in an animal body – man is evolving out of his animal nature – hence the centaur with his human upper body and his animal hind legs.
    So re Saturn around the GC – at the least a reminder of the physical body but with an experience out of it?
    The GC has been adopted by a few astrologers as a Black Hole and various attributes invented for it – which is a load of… because the black hole stuff is incorrect – but enough of that!
    Physicist Paul La Violette LaViolette concluded that these massive gamma outbursts from the GC recur every ten thousand years or more and last anywhere from several hundred to several thousand years. Cosmic rays of this sort travel outward from the Galactic Center at very close to the speed of light. (he claims the 2004 Tsunami was a result of one such outburst). LaViolette is the first known scientist to evaluate the extraterrestrial material content of prehistoric polar ice. He finds they contain high levels of cosmic dust, indicating that galactic phenomena may have affected our solar system in the recent past.
    If its hard to find stuff on Saturn and the GC – maybe its because astrology isn’t catching up with cosmology! (book to come in 2017 fingers crossed!)

    1. Yes, it is a bit mad to address the galactic center as a ‘point’. It’s really hard to ascertain its influence when it is something astronomical. But if we are talking symbolically then you could say then its influence will span the whole decan, which really is the whole of 2017.
      Maybe I need to dedicate a whole post to this and look back in history at times when Saturn was there and see if there is a theme. That’s all we can do as astrologers really. I’m no physicist!

  3. Hey Joddle,
    I’ve only just realised I have been watching your channel for a while on youtube! Love it. I’m really not up to speed on Turkey, but I should really look into it. This black and white polarity has just got so extreme right now. I suppose it a case of for each action, there is an equal opposite reaction. I was just watching your “Elimination Of The English Man” video over lunch actually, and it’s spot on! I had never really thought about that in my own life, but I’ve only ever had two proper English boyfriends and they were when I was at college. But I had to look abroad for a mate. Was married twice to two very hairy guys!! (An Aussie/Scot and a Sicilian.) So your video made me laugh.

    This fascination with the “Bad Boy” Pluto theme that I have been looking into, is also totally explained by the lack of a true divine masculine! Pluto (and/or Antares man), is the forbidden fruit for oestrogen-driven women who are desperate for some testosterone! It’s just a crazy hormonal drive. Catnip. I’m guessing this might go on to be the case for middle class US men too, though they always seem a bit more butch to me 😉

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