Planet Ceres & The Dark Triad

Dark goddess Ceres was discovered in Sicily in 1801. The new planet was named after the Roman grain goddess because of her close mythological and cult connections to this Mediterranean island. Enna in Sicily was said to be where Proserpina was abducted by Pluto, who apparently flew out of the volcano, Mount Etna. (The Greek versions are Persephone, her mother Demeter and her nasty uncle Hades, god of the underworld.) There are some very interesting synchronicities.

When Ceres was discovered she was exactly, and I really mean exactly in alignment with fixed star Algol by 0 degrees 00’! The Algol connection with Ceres is all the stranger because Medusa’s head is also found on the Sicilian flag. They have mixed Ceres symbolism with Medusa by entwining the snakes with sprigs of wheat. Therefore there must be some esoteric connection between Medusa and Ceres. Later we will see the snake symbolism again with the stars involved in Ceres’ discovery chart.


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Ceres was discovered at 8pm on the very 1st day of the 19th century. [1] For 50 years Ceres was actually classified as the 8th planet until the rest of the asteroids started to be discovered in 1851. The discoverer of Ceres, a Sicilian monk and astronomer, Giuseppe Piazzi wrote in his notes that Ceres was sitting on the shoulder of the bull (Taurus). Algol was at 23º Taurus in the 1800’s. Ceres has a great affinity to the sign of Virgo due to the Virgo constellation’s brightest star Spica being the chaff of wheat in the hand of the Virgin. As we have seen in my rundown of the Virgo decans, the Persephone theme is very strong.

Darling Persephone is Ceres’ beloved daughter Kore, as she was known before Pluto ‘took’ her. Ceres’s themes are far more complex than simply ‘Earth Mother’. Unfortunately, this expression is so over-used that it just conjures up images of hippie chicks with buggies full of babies and organic vegetables. Ceres is far more social than that (Like Jupiter and Saturn).

Remember Ceres comes between Mars and Jupiter so it’s not really a personal planet, nor is it just another mummy moon. Another problem with the ‘Grain-goddess’ brand is that it seems very one dimensional. I mean it’s bread right? How complex can buns get? You cannot look at Ceres in isolation because she really comes in a trio with Pluto and Eris, both mythologically and in the story of her reclassification as a dwarf planet. But I will come back to the simplicity of the Earth Mother because it’s so simple and obvious that we can overlook it’s importance.

The Persephone Myth & Kore

So Ceres is not just sun kissed, golden fields of corn. In fact this being Darkstar of course we must look at Ceres’ dark shadow, and like all the planets she has one! The Persephone myth is integral to Ceres’ meaning, as Robert Graves believes Persephone is the younger self of Demeter (Ceres). Before Persephone’s abduction she was the maiden/virgin Kore and after her abduction she was named Persephone. In terms of astrology we can say that that Ceres could signify the maiden Persephone and Eris the post-abducted Persephone. We could also play around with the triple goddess and say that;

ceressicilyCeres/Kore = Maiden
Eris/Persephone Sotiera = Saviour maiden/mother
Pluto/Ceres = Crone

Ceres is about natural law and the cycles of life. The three dwarf planets are really a transformation based on the seasonal changes. The mourning that Ceres suffered at the loss of her daughter Persephone (or her own childhood/virginity) is mirrored in the infertile winter season. Hades for the Greeks was also the god of riches and deep in the underworld we find gold if we go deep enough. It is interesting death is associated with these buried treasures, whereas life is Ceres’s territory. Above ground, the ‘wealth’ is the land and our energising connection to it. (Check out ‘Earthing’.)


Opium poppies are associated with Ceres
as Persephone was said to be picking them in a field when she was ‘raped’. Their blood red stains in the blazing field of gold signify the breaking of the hymen during the first act of sex, but they are also the start of menstruation for the blossoming young woman. We have to look at the myth in context with the times. In ancient Greece, sometimes when a couple wanted to marry, but the parents wouldn’t allow it, the suitor would ‘kidnap’ his beloved and they would spend the night out in the country somewhere. After that it was assumed the virgin had been deflowered and they would now have to marry in order to save the girls honor. On a personal note this happened in Sicily too where my grandmother aged just 15 eloped with my grandad who was in his 20s I believe. Huzzie! Only kidding Nonna, but my dad was the result. This is quite a quaint story, but by today’s standards, my grandad would have been considered a pedophile.

Pedophilia and Abduction

100 years ago women were probably more mature by aged 15 as life expectancy was a lot shorter. Women became parents earlier and therefore learned responsibility. Teenage abduction may not have been such a shocker in the past because Sicily was under Muslim rule for a good 500 years. Mohammed had a 9-year-old wife, so this mentality might have rubbed off on the Sicilians. The earlier you get the girl, the better she is groomed into the obedient slave characteristic of Ceres/Pluto relationships. It’s important to understand some of the culture behind Ceres as she really is a product of the front line where East meets West. Ceres cosmic birth in Sicily means she must have absorbed some of that front line, edgy culture.

ceres5So the dark side of Ceres brings themes of abuse, rape, abduction and in the worst cases, pedophilia. There is very definitely a Svengali influence too seen with young singers in the entertainment industry, like Miley Cyrus or Britney Spears. These starlets were groomed from a young age by their Hollywood handlers/producers. These producers will be Pluto, while Ceres can be the stage mother or the daughter herself. To make things more complex, there is another Greek god named Plutus or Ploutos (the Greek word for wealth) who was actually the son of Demeter (Ceres). This represents the aspect of Ceres that is extremely materialistic, for in Dante’s inferno it states that “Plutus is the demon of wealth who guards the forth circle of hell ‘The hoarders and the wasters’ Dante likely concluded that Plutus symbolised the evil of hoarding wealth.” Wiki.

Ceres & Narcissism

There a lot of bleed between Ceres and daughter Persephone. This confusion also occurs with Hades (Pluto) and Plutus. Hade’s mother-in-law Ceres, has a son (Plutus) who is also an aspect of Hades himself! This complicated scenario really mirrors the phenomenon of enmeshment found in Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Narcissistic parents often create triangulation between siblings. One child will be designated the ‘Golden Child’ while the another ‘the scapegoat’. Persephone shows all the symptoms of being the scapegoat, while her half-bother Plutus (wealth) is certainly the golden child. Of course these roles can flip around now and again, just to keep the children on their toes.

Persephone may start off as the golden child in the shape of Kore, while she is still very attached to her mother. Kore is groomed to be the little star, a mirror of her mother’s unfulfilled fantasies of fame. This is a lot to live up to and if Kore/Persephone fails she then becomes the scapegoat. Persephone can also become scapegoat by pairing with a badboy Pluto. The Plutus sibling can be the golden child by being Ceres’ substitute husband her real husband has failed in some way or has left the home. This, of course, is a very incestuous type of relationship. Either way, this negative Ceres is engulfing her children and becomes the devouring mother.

The Dark Traid

ceres-sicilyCeres, Eris (Persephone) and Pluto are a triad. In psychology some of the cluster-B personality disorders are grouped together and called the “Dark Triad”. They comprise of Narcissism, Machiavellianism and Psychopathy. These mirror quite well the negative manifestations of Ceres, Eris (Persephone) and Pluto. So we get:

Negative Ceres = Narcissism as defined by Wikipedia; “ Grandiosity, pride, egotism and a lack of empathy.”
Negative Eris = Machiavellianism; “ Manipulation and exploitation of others, a cynical disregard for morality, and a focus on self-interest and deception”
Negative Pluto = Psychopathy; “ Enduring antisocial behaviour, impulsivity, selfishness, callousness and remorselessness”

Being brought up by a narcissistic mother can force the young scapegoat Eris/Persephone to become Machiavellian, just in order to survive. Eris can feel so unloved that she resorts to manipulation in order to gain the love that she does not believe will be given unconditionally. I will go into this much deeper in the Eris post once I rewrite it. But there are overlaps between innocent Ceres as Kore and Persephone as Eris. The way out of this character malfunction (as a result of Negative Ceres’ emotional abandonment), often does come in the shape of an abduction by Pluto. This forces Persephone to see her dark side and accept that she has indeed been abused by her own parent(s). In this way she goes through the dark night of the soul and starts to re-member her shattered ego. Her journey to the underworld and back shows this transformation.

Narcotics & The Cave Man

When negative Ceres experiences the loss of her narcissistic supply from her daughter she becomes distraught. Like the myth, she withdraws her material support (the abundance of nature’s bounty) and falls into a winter of depression. Her massive pride is hurt, how could Persephone leave her for that bad boy Pluto?! Another association with Ceres is the poppy, so Ceres may take to numbing her pain by taking narcotics. Note the etymology, narc-issism, narc-cotics is interesting to say the least! Narkotos is the Greek verbal adjective of narcoun “to numb, to make unconscious.” Now I know this all looks very bleak, but Ceres rules cycles and all is not lost here. This mourning period is just a stage. All mothers go through this stage when their children leave home and also when they go through the menopause. (so Ceres can describe this stage in a woman’s life too.)

plutus1A man will experience Ceres through his relationship with his mother or rubbing up against feminists! It might also manifest as the typical mother-in-law problem, where the mother Ceres feels threatened by her son’s new wife. Again the risk of triangulation comes into play, where the wife is seen as being manipulative and seducing the son away from loyalty to the mother Ceres. Men can have addiction problems too obviously which can bring problems of zoning out with porn, video games as well pain-numbing chemicals. Men have a natural need, however, to quietly contemplate, as primitives they would go to their caves (Modern day shed.) or chop wood, or stare into the fire (Modern day BBQ.) so they are naturally more inclined to be hypnotised by the computer screen. However in some ways this is fairly normal behaviour for men and a balance is what’s needed as always. So when I say ‘she’ in this post I mean the part of both sexes that is earth-connected, our pagan self.

Pentagram To Pentacles ~ Ceres World

Ceres in the modern world suffers at the loss of sacred pagan rituals that connected her to the land. Positive Ceres is the herbalist, the farmer, the magical cook, the nurse and healer who feeds and nurtures her family. It is a very traditional female role, and if she ends up stuck in an office she then becomes overly materialistic. The gold grain of the earth (‘Grana’ in Italian is another word for cash) becomes replaced by gold coins or jewelry. The magic of the pentagram becomes instead a craving for pentacles. You can see this very clearly in the tarot cards and the elements, where pentacles are associated with earth signs and the material world. Earth signs are also the ones most connected to the earth spirit and are the original pagans. When the Abrahamic monotheistic religions swept across pagan Europe they replaced the worship of earth deities with what are basically alien sky gods. The original ‘mater’ial world was looked down upon, and as women (or really the feminine in alchemy) were deemed closer to nature, they were also seen as lesser, more animalistic beings also.

So what this means for our earth mother Ceres is that she has been de-spiritualised. It is dispiriting to feel less worthy than your male counterparts. Self-worth plays a huge part in whether a person becomes a narcissist or not. Ceres resonates quite strongly with the 2nd house of self-worth. The house also rules the direct fruits of one’s labour and one’s personal money. Opposite in the 8th house Pluto is associated with other people’s money, debt and usury. Sorcery also belongs here, the means that fake money and credit are created. This, of course, keeps workers in bondage as their labour is taxed. 8th house money is parasitical because it makes money from money rather than talent, skills or labour that 2nd house money does. So 2nd house workers/artisans are literally being vamped. How this relates back to Ceres is the notion of narcissistic supply. When Ceres cannot be energized by the sacred earth she will feel drained like she is dying. This is when she will resort to the fake energy harvesting that is retail therapy.

Parasitical Plutocrats

ceres3Plutocrats love to destroy national/cultural identity (Which ultimately comes from the land we live on.) because that way we resort to identifying with consumer brands. So you become a Hollister person, a Prada, a NorthFace or a Mac person… Your car says who you are, not the fact you are Welsh, Texan, Cockney, Parisian, etc etc. Note these are all Westernised areas, because most other ethnic groups have their religion as a unifying sense of oneness and strength. We have lost this thanks to globalism and this has been a deliberate strategy (More about this in the Eris post..) One thing that I think does unify us in the west is our love of nature and animals which is all very Ceres. Even when we are forced into the cities, we just love pets! Our cats sleep with us and there is that ritual of walking dogs in the park. We love our gardens and window boxes too. Ceres campaigns against animal cruelty and tries her best to be eco-friendly. These are her positive traits.

The negative side of Ceres comes up due to the degeneracy of morality in culture generally. According to ‘numerous studies’ (says Wikipedia) men (and what’s more Caucasian men) are supposed to show higher levels of all of the dark triad traits. But as hinted in my psychopathy post, I think this is extremely misleading as surely the deviousness of these traits would not actually show up in tests!

The most honest victim of an abuser will have probably picked up the ‘Dark Triad’ virus. These ‘Victims’ are more likely to test positive because they have come to believe they are “selfish, manipulating, self-obsessed (read self-conscious) etc”. This is, of course, the result of being raised by an abusive parent. The scape-goat child often has all these “Dark Traid” traits projected onto them by the whole dysfunctional family. They grow up believing they are dirty, evil and incapable of loving another. This is because the narcissist child is constantly told they are not devoted enough to the needy parent.

The same goes for a relationship with a Pluto Dark Cupid who wants total admiration, but nothing Persephone does is ever good enough. These are the toxic/vampiric relationships I mentioned in the ‘Dark Cupid’ post. Any attempt for Ceres types to be true to themselves is seen as a betrayal from Pluto, which the forces them to piece together a very fragile ego in secret. In my Eris post (which will be a part 2 to this post) I will focus on more positive solutions to Ceres’ dilemma and how this is related to the transpersonal and even the survival of the pagan soul of earth. Eris will be the resurrection, the phoenix from the flames of this shattered Ceres.

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67 thoughts on “Planet Ceres & The Dark Triad

  1. Wow and WOW!

    This is really amazing Marina! I spent some time in meditation last night, and I wanted to start meditation on Ceres, and I found some real ‘mixed energies’ there and at one point I did not want to commit to the meditation. I chose to stay with the discomfort so i could learn something about Ceres because I feel I do need to understand her. Your discoveries on Ceres help me begin to understand why this particular ‘mother’ has always been so discomforting to me.

    Thank you for your work on this Marina!

    Much Love

    Kjerstin

  2. According to the work of Anthony Perrat, plasma scientist and mythologist, Medusa was born of a particular phase in the tumultuous arrival of Venus in our solar system. The then comet’s “hair” resembling snakes. So as the snakes were substituted with wheat, presumably reflecting another phase or just the aftermath when the comet had settled down and earth recovered, she took on a more benign face. But her underlying character was Medusa.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clq-GiqvL9o – this clip from a longer documentary explains it well – Entitled Mother Goddess and the Dragon, it states, “One of the Great Mysteries of antiquity is the dual character of the mother goddess as radiant star and dragon of chaos”
    I may have posted it before – but its really explains the origin for the dual aspect of Ceres/Medusa.

    1. Oooh! I will watch all that tonight. Love these type of documentaries. You do find some great links. Might have to add those to my Dark Goddess You tube channel. I must’ve missed this if you did post it before.

    2. Frustratingly tantalising, I want to see the whole documentary now!. So interesting about the dual goddess aspect and the long snakey hair of the comet, reminds me of the swirly curly fireworks. So many interesting connections here.

    3. The rest of it is on there but it’s in lots of sections and each one has it’s own title. Annoying! But well worth the watch. I am at home with my inner dragon now! It’s the duality of my nature as decreed!

    4. Yes I found the thunderbolts channel. I remember I did watch “symbols of an Alien sky” from a link you left before which was fascinating, especially Saturn. That rang true for me. I watched the Mars one last night. Was going to watch the rest but feel asleep! Overworked…zzz

  3. great link uberqueen,

    I liked this quote from the video.

    “One of the great mysteries of antiquity is the dual character of the mother goddess as radiant star and dragon of chaos’

    I am still thinking a lot about this article – will go back and read again in a bit.

    =)

    Kjerstin

    1. Hi Kjerstin,
      Yes, that really struck a chord with me too. I am really fascinated with the foundation of these myths. They have actual physical foundations which makes them even more potent as it brings them to life. I think the essence is that heavenly bodies brought us, on the quantum level, information which manifests in us as archetypes.
      The work on Mars and Saturn by the same people is amazing. It’s well worth watching the whole documentary that clip was taken from.

    2. ooh I love that place where physics and archetypes/mysteries meet!

  4. Marina, this is stunning! I know the tropical zodiac isn’t so relevant to the way you work, but that Leo AC makes me think of another archetypal image of mother/vegetation goddesses flanked by lions

    1. Whatever system we use it all comes together and makes sense in the end. I don’t poo poo the signs so much anymore. I’m over it! lol. Actually when the time is not accurate to the minute a blanket system like the zodiac signs is quite useful. Leo AC is such a drama queen which goes very nicely as a background wash to the chart. Taurus MC makes sense too and if I put my old Tropical hat on, she’ll be fatally attracted to (Pluto in the 7th) eccentric, free-spirited parters(DC Aquarius) who will test her need to dominate and possess. I see Ceres can equally represent Persephone as Kore, before Pluto had his wicked way with her!

  5. Hello Marina

    Thrilling this Sicilian trail abd Ceres on the path of Algol; looking like purity and hideousness back to back

    Very nice choice of illustration for the godesss Ceres (the Godess of Abundance by Bruegel)… I made a bunch of posts about her ‘type’ (forms & faces) and it tends to aproach the lines of a shield https://cosmicaravan.wordpress.com/2010/10/06/ceres-ecuyere/ (still in french but very visual).

  6. I am very interested in the asteroid conjuncts in my chart..
    You mention Ceres- Sun- but not Ceres – moon

    I have Ceres conjunct moon Pisces exactly- H9

    Also- Pandora is conj my ASC, Psyche conj Sun- H-1, Eros conj Jupiter- H10

    Eris conj MC

    Where might I find links to read about the nuance of these influences ???

    Thanking you,

    QuadCab

    GG

    1. Hi Galaxy,
      I’d get Demetra Georges book on the Asteroid Goddesses. She’s the only one I know who has actually talked about them cookbook fashion, but that’s only the main 4 which includes Ceres. As for the others, no one has written about those so specifically. With asteroids you have to let them stimulate your own intuition because there are no hard and fast rules and there are so many. I will get onto writing Moon/Ceres eventually. Apart from that google it and see what you find. There’s quite a lot of Ceres info out there now.

  7. Just looked at Princess Stephanie of Monaco’s chart and noticed she has some extreme ceres aspects.

    She has sun conjunct ceres (07″), and moon conjunct ceres (15″). This triple conjunction in h6 squares her MC (02″)! It also sits on her mother’s IC (point of endings). Princess Grace’s ceres/vertex/jupiter conjunction in h8 squares Stephanie’s Uranus/Pluto conjunction. Princess Grace was fated to suffer a traumatic mother/daughter separation.

    Stephanie, as we’re all aware, has suffered from the grief and guilt of her mother’s death in 1982. She’s lived out the ceres themes of mother/daughter loss and traumatic separation her whole life.

    Stephanie’s neptune in h4 conjuncts her mother’s sun (21″). Perhaps showing an inability to find inner peace since the death of her glamorous (neptune) mother.

    These are just a few thoughts on a very interesting chart and life – what do you think??

    1. That is pretty amazing!
      Poor Stephanie – what signs are Sun and Moon in?

      I have just done a chart for a man who was hideously sexually abused by his won grandfather. One of his siblings was murdered by the same grandfather during an abusive episode. The grandmother apparently colluded, she knew what was going on and covered it all up. The death was seen as accidental choking…

      This man for whom I have done the chart also has Sun Ceres exact conj in Pisces opposite Pluto and Part of Fortune/Jupiter/ which are square Saturn at 2 degrees… a realy horrible karmic contract. Saturn is in the 7th house (if you subscribe to houses).
      Yed Posterior and Dschubba on Saturn… oh dear. So there is a horrible manipulation and seduction into the underworld, death, a coverup, more sexual abuse…
      Neptune and Chiron are now transiting his Sun and Ceres conj with the T square of Saturn and PLuto…
      I hope this is a chance for healing but I think a breakdown first… Poor soul.

    2. Jesus, the poor man. A t-square in the angular houses is never easy, let alone having ceres tied in to this!

      I have ceres conjunct my taurus north node in h10 (38″), no terrible aspects or traumatic past experience so far so I should be ok! I do work in human rights which could be seen as an expression of my ceres working to resolve taboo areas (i.e. prostitution, trafficking etc.).

      Your point about neptune and chiron potentially healing this man, could equally apply to Stephanie. Chiron passed over her sun/moon/ceres in 2007. Princess Stephanie became deeply involved in the fight against AIDs following the death of her father in 2005. Perhaps helping others who suffer from such a dark and taboo disease initiated her healing process??!

    3. Sorry, I forgot to mention her sun moon ceres is in 12 aquarius square her 12 taurus MC.

    4. Ah! Well there’s the humanitarian healing for Stephanie – and you too! In h10 its got to be a career issue? The interface with the outer world and perhaps you present a very solid almost earth mother face which must be invaluable in human tights work of that kind.
      My chap is actually a healer too! With that amount of crap its sink or swim and in Pisces he’s a swimmer.
      Looking at it from a wider perspective, I think people with this kind of challenge get a very stark choice to make. And with that level of suffering make excellent healers because they are unlikely to judge and have huge empathy. The not so good choice is victimhood and dissolution via drugs etc. My client is going to have some Uranus and PLuto challenges to come but I see that as an opportunity for transmutation of crisis into god sent chance to elevate kundalini.

      The Chiron tr for Stephanie is definitely her descent into the underworld and retrieving the jewels there to dress her wounds and those of others.

    5. Yes poor soul indeed. Gosh, there’s that Dschubba again, it keeps coming up. Really not a nice star. This transiting Neptune with Chiron has been interesting to watch. 2 years ago when Jupiter was there it was like a totally different transit I think. Jupiter warming it up and giving it some “omph”. Neptune and Chiron on their own share sacrifice and yes much more about health issues and healing.
      Both Jamie and I’s daughters (Aged 8 and 9) have this Neptune/Chiron going over their Moon/Uranus conjunction that they share within a degree! My daughter has Mars in there too AND in the first. (I know…)
      When these two first met 3 xmas’s ago, it was explosive, Mars was transiting then too though. Punch ups, rivalry, jealousy, the works. This year they are inseparable. We can’t believe it’s been two weeks and still not one row between them. Before it was more like 4 times a day. Anyway Neptune is obviously doing something there for them. And we have 50% more peace 🙂

    6. Thanks for pointing me to her and for adding the synastry to Princess Grace. Fab. Stephanie wasn’t in Solar Fires databank would you believe! I checked my Sun conjunct Ceres post and have added her, she is a really good example of what I wrote, I’m quite amazed actually. https://marinadarkstar.wpengine.com/sun-conjunct-ceres-natal/
      She even ran away with the circus and is known to be fiercely protective of her kids (So it said on astrodatabank.) I didnt know that much about her. Anyway her chart. Well the stellium is in Aquarius, but the star they are on is a little known one in the heart of capricorn the goat:
      “Of the nature of Mars and Mercury. It gives disagreeableness, contemptibleness, instability, shamelessness, nagging and a troublesome and contentious nature. [Robson*, p141.]”

      All rather harsh. But I guess some members of her royal family may well agree with it. I actually have this star on my Moon/MC and it was only brought to my attention (By Jamie) a couple of days ago…hmmmm “nagging” is he trying to tell me something?…But actually it was in relation to my mother and past lives though so it’s great sync this post has resurfaced.

    7. I don’t know an awful lot about Stephanie either, I was just always aware of her growing up (reading Hello magazine weekly). I certainly didn’t know she ran off with the circus, mad!

      I re-read your sun conjunct ceres post – eerily accurate re Stephanie! Her name popped up on some news website I was reading yesterday so I decided to look at her chart for interests sake and I was stunned (but not surprised given her past) to see the ceres aspects.

      Regarding your points on synchronicity, transit ceres is currently smack bang on my 20 pisces mercury, and square my 17.44 sag uranus – perhaps the reason I accidentally stumbled upon her chart?!

  8. Ceres is a big deal for me at the moment as its been squaring my AC, which was where the Lunar eclipse hit me. I know I have major pmt at the moment but I also had an irrational fear that Jamie along with mine and his older daughter had had a carcrash because they were late coming back from a gymnastics tournament. I did a chart for when I was getting tearful thinking how could I live without my daughter!!! I haven’t felt like that since the Madeleine McCann case was in the news, when she was 3. Anyway, I drew up the chart. My natal AC is 18 Gemini conjunct the Ac for that time which is pretty amazing. Sun square Ceres right now and moon trine Ceres too. Uranus on the Mc ( which scared me about accidents) and mars squaring the nodes too!

    AC on Hoedus, the mother goat nursing two kid goats while seated in the lap of the speeding charioteer. (Car!) I do like the synchro of event charts sometimes. I used to do a bit of horary, but I prefer to read the charts intuitively now, the fixed stars are so rich with archetypes. Its like reading the tarot cards to me. Mars on Zosma (Victim or Saviour) in the house of short journeys. Interesting. I’m wondering if there were any accidents on the notorious Pacific Highway that night. But because of fate, my family were spared.

  9. Had a look Whitney Heston and her daughter’s charts and they share some strong ceres aspects. First off, her daugher Krissi has sun conjunct ceres in Pisces in h10 (30″). This sits on Whitney’s ascendant at 8 Pisces and opposes her Pluto/Mercury conjunction 10 virgo. I often use asteroid karma when looking at synatry (it’s usually really prominent). Well, in this case Whitney’s karma is at 15 virgo opposite Krissi’s sun/ceres conjunction at 14 pisces!!!

    So, similar to Princess Stephanie and Princess Grace, we have alot of mother/daughter themes re loss, pain, and grieving. Very sad for Krissi!

  10. i have ceres conjunct algol in my natal chart. i had a disgusting mother. she always took sides with anyone else except me, no matter what the subject is; she’d even slander me at times, always preferred and magnified whatever my brother does, always looking down on me, never taking me seriously. she actually tried to shut me up in a clinic because my thoughts were different from hers and the family in general. she actually claimed that i was insane.

    1. Hello? Me too; ceres on angol, and my mother accused me of being alcoholic so she could put me in a foster home(I had 5 sisters that didn’t go) and later told my ex that I was bipolar during our divorce so he could get custody. I was never either of those things, and for her to poison my environment like that really evil and sick. Really, it is so hard to defend oneself from sick labels and charges from your own mother especially! She caused my daughter so much trauma-it didn’t bother me so much until I saw how she was really hurting my daughter.

  11. Marina–

    I looked at this post because you mentioned it on Facebook this morning and discovered my Ceres is square my Mars and Uranus. When I looked up the aspects here, they were spot on, down to my abandonment issues mirrored in the description of the pattern:

    People with stressful Ceres/Uranus aspects are more likely to get romantically involved with unstable types who are incapable of providing nurturing. Then they go to an astrologer and complain that they can never find a good person, and when are they ever going to meet their soul mate. At that point, the best thing to do is tell them that if they were to meet a soul mate, they would probably mess that relationship up too. The instability is a diversion. Their real goal is to avoid and ignore their own nurturing needs and the childhood panic they felt by not having those needs met.

    On the positive side, I have a Ceres quintile Pluto and have been known to nurture people almost back to life. I wouldn’t go so far as to put them at death’s door, but it could have been close.

    Oh yes, and my Ceres is in Scorpio in the 2nd house at 14 degrees alongside Jupiter at 22 degrees. Considering I’m technically homeless at the moment, I felt a good deal better looking at what generally happens with Ceres in the 2nd house. Though I can’t speak to the bank account, I tend to feel more secure with a full fridge. 🙂

    1. Thank meredith. I was thinking more about Ceres yesterday and thinking about her being an indicator of co-dependancy. I love your interpretation of Ceres/Uranus. I have been going through a transit of Uranus conjunct my natal Ceres and those themes certainly resonate! Childhood panic, shocks, yes.

    2. Hi Marina…

      Do you have enough perspective to share you’re experience of Uranus transiting your natal Ceres? I am in this spot as well, would love to compare notes! Mine occurs in Aries in the 6th. Being a significant transit, I would love to hear more on this if you can indulge us : )

  12. I´ll find my way to have a lecture with you, Marina. It is hard for me to find out how Ceres works dynamically on my chart. I was writing down to Jamie, that I am affraid that Lillith, Chiron in my 8th house, which trine and sextile my mars on my 12th house, might do wrong with me.

    My Ceres opposes my north node and quadrates my eight house. There´s not so much information available for these dynamics.

    I have been 6 years in co-dependent groups!

    So, step by step, trying to be alert (with microscope integrated).

    Thanks for these valuables tools.

    Rín.

  13. Ethan, alabama hostage victim 2/6/07…Libra/moon & merc/venus/uranius/ceres conq. in pisces..mars/cap in sextile

    1. freed 2/3/mars into pisces; venus to aquarius!
      Ethan’s libra moon is a prisoner to others in their own hyper-awareness…Alex jones’s-Prison Planet- Libra moon…suspect cap-rising, moon on the MC, so he sees prisons everwhere. also he wears black on his show so all one sees the round face and hands waving in a black back ground

  14. Reading again! So wise… AND funny! (… not with prince of darkness… where are you? PerséfoneeeeAY!)

    You really are spicy Marina and I enjoy being here -though not easy topics- and read, learn and go within.

    Thankyou so much!

    R.

  15. what would you suspect, the effects of having my Sun in septile with ceres, “Ceres in the 8th house.”
    my….? “Venus”
    is in cancer – in the 8th as well, and my sun is in the 9th house in Leo….?

  16. Do you find Ceres important in love relationships? Lately I’ve been checking up on Ceres in synastries (friends that I know have wonderful marriages/partnerships) and in majority of cases have found conjunctions with personal planets (especially sun, venus and moon)

  17. In my natal chart, Ceres and Algol are at the same degree! They are 3 degrees from my midheaven and 4 degrees from my south node.
    I have resonated with both of them forever. Ceres absolutely fits my adult life as mother and herb grower.

  18. I just found out I my Ceres and the fixed star Scheat are exact degrees. I have a lot of issues around nurturing, especially feeling like I have to really be assertive to get my needs met (Ceres opposing Mars).

  19. What does Ceres opposing Venus mean in the chart? Ceres in Leo opposing Venus in Aquarius. Does this make for difficult, detached relationships?

    1. What does Ceres conjunct Uranus in the 1st House mean in my natal chart?

  20. HA ! What A READ ! No One can Claim Astrology isn’t DRAMATIC
    This is the MOST INTENSE Astrology Post probably in all of History!

    I have been wondering about CERES for a long time, and i happened to just be surveying info about the ROMAN 12 Tables and Ceres this very WEEK…..

    It Appears that What your pointing to is Grid-lines in Social Consciousness between people.

    Here’s a Vid I think Which Sums up CERES pretty well from what i read;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw

    The one thing i would mention for the Future in Regards this statement;
    “This represents the aspect of Ceres that is extremely materialistic, for in Dante’s inferno it states that “Plutus is the demon of wealth who guards the forth circle of hell ‘The hoarders and the wasters’ Dante likely concluded that Plutus symbolised the evil of hoarding wealth.”

    I had a RUN in with “Plutus in the Fourth Circle of Hell” in 2012 when Pluto was on top my own Birth SUN……and it isn’t a MATERIALISTIC problem at all. In Fact it’s often referred to as the way a Religious person HOARDS more then they should. But it’s not materialism Hoarding, it’s Spiritual Hoarding. It happens when a Religious person, usually Clergy confuses “Altruistic Goals”and attempts to “TAKE ON” too much Religious Hardship on their own shoulder, as a way to Cast off HARDSHIPs from the people they want to protect.
    This is apparently a problem for CLERGY, who’s GREED, is the GREED of other peoples Pain and suffering. CLERGY must be careful to leave Pain in the hands of those receiving it. And not attempt to Gather it up in some other Psychic Fashion.

    Or U end up in the Fourth Circle of Hell, Literally………..or at least Literally/Psychically

  21. I’ve noticed in my natal chart i have an exact moon ceres conjunction exactly opposed by jupiter, although i haven’t given it that much attention to be honest. Maybe i should now given this post.
    I can see how the relationship with my mother plays out in my life enough to see my natal chart hinting to that. Also ex girlfriends and stuff with women generally. Ironically the whole mother in law thing does resonate with my experience haha, a couple funny stories with female friends and ex girlfriends, or maybe not so funny… Oh whatever.

  22. Very Interesting Article.

    Just a note regarding the early age of marriage in the past. It’s not strictly an Islamic thing most cultures centuries ago considered puberty a good age for marriage. And the story of Muhammad marrying a 9 years old isn’t true there are other sources indicate she was 17.

    1. Wisdom would say to believe what you gather collectively in your own studies & evaluations.

  23. I love reading your articles, as you relay what you’ve learned and experienced as your truth, rather than romanticizing with rarely used words and old world English. It makes the application of your topics easy to place and understand. I don’t suppose you’re a Taurus, with your matter-of-fact injected humor…

  24. Hello. I’ve spent all my last days reading about Ceres, its influence on Natal chart, its symbols/themes, the possibility of it rules a sign (or not), the reasons for what it could be influent enough to be a ruler over a sign and so go on…
    To be true, I’m searching material which could convince me that Ceres can be a ruler, because many articles and astrologers don’t think it’s possible. The other interest o’mine is: In the cause of it has a rulership, what would be its ruled sign? People seem to be sure that it’s Virgo, but the more I read and study about it, more I find Taurus’ themes related to Ceres. Including some astronomical characteristics like discovery and body skills. So, I would love to know and understand why you think Ceres rules Virgo. Could you explain me that?

    1. I can try to respond! Virgo relates to serving others, health, purity, detail-oriented perfectionism, practical, work-oriented. These themes work well with Ceres when emphasizing her association with agriculture and common man; when harvesting crops before winter, only the best is cultivated, maintaining the health and purity of oneself and the community they are serving their food through the labor of harvest. Virgo relates to digestion, the point in which the outside world is assimilated into oneself, which should only be done with the healthiest/purest of choices. Agriculture forms the bedrock of civilization, providing the regulatable and ample food necessary for large diverse populations, making Ceres associated with the ultimate service for humanity. Darkstar and others tend to emphasize her myth with Pluto and Proserpina/Persephone, and all the dark sensuous issues it brings up, but the associations between Pluto-Ceres-Eris seem too muddled to me. If Ceres is as important as Pluto in astrology, it should have a more clearly discernible archetype like the rest of the planets who rule over their own signs. Devious power struggles are Plutonian, Victimhood/Violator seem more Eridian… Ceres alone is the mother of civilization, as the Moon is the mother of family, or Neptune the spirit. It’s not like Saturn is mostly talked about for eating his kids, or Jupiter for his sexual exploits!

  25. Wow. I just had my Moon/Ceres conjunct pointed out to me, so I am just realizing how important Ceres might be in my chart. So… my Moon is conjunct Ceres in Scorpio, 6th hse. And this trines my 2nd hse Sun. I feel like this post is practically written for me. Because… I’ve also recently realized my dad is a narcissist, or has narcissistic traits at the very least. I was the golden child. My mom, the enabler, has her Saturn on my Moon/Ceres.
    Interestingly, my young daughter, whose Saturn is also on my Moon, has triggered these revelations on my family dynamic, and motivates me to break the cycle. It seems investigating this aspect of astrology might be useful to rid myself of the “virus” from my narcissistic upbringing. Thank you!

  26. What an astounding post! The revelations I have uncovered here about my life as a child, wife and mother have given me enormous insights. My Ceres is is direct opposition to my Chiron as well as hard aspects to my moon and Venus, it seems. I had a tough childhood and grew up fast. Devoted Virgo (sept. 21) mother but reluctantly ‘wore the pants’ in my marriage! Thank you Marina!

  27. Just on the ‘natural law’ of male dominance, check out lionesses hunting in teams and bringing home the bacon and that’s just the ‘king’ of animals to start with. Many female animals are the main life sustainer and hunter for their young while the male is peripheral to the family unit.
    There’s orcas where older females are dominant…not to bore anyone though I do love the nature documentaries…

    1. There is no natural law of male dominance or in fact any dominance! I never mentioned the word, but the word ‘dominance has been used in the media to divide and conquer the sexes. There is natural law of different ROLES. What you have described with Lionesses is called ‘shopping’ and household budgeting! Just as valuable as defending the tribe. The “male is peripheral to the family unit” sounds like a feminist soundbite to me. Studies show again and again that a family unit NEEDS a male role model, especially for sons. And I’m saying this as a single mum.

  28. Hey, sorry, no personal criticism intended. I was just saying about the lion king thing and how animal gender roles arent as specific as we used to think. Maybe also sometime used as an example or excuse for human gender bias. I’m here because I like to read your work.

  29. Anyone with half a brain and a quarter of a third eye can see that women are the more narcissistic sex at this point in time. Obviously, the studies were flawed. And women’s narcissism goes much deeper – it isn’t just a surface mask like the one males are forced to wear; it is deep, and twisted.

  30. @lovebird1 I agree. I should go back and look for these ‘Studies’. I might have to correct that. I think they would mean the dark triad traits as a whole though. All the same, there is definitely an agenda embedded within all ‘studies’ these days anyway. I definitely see a real attack on the typical western alpha male in the last 20 years. No more heros…

  31. @lovebird 1 @ Marina, as someone who is an empath and with a lot of experience dealing with narcisstic personality types, I have to say that men certainly outweigh women for Narcissism and Narcisstic traits. Yes there are plenty of female narcissists but men in my experience and opinion still far outweigh women. How are men forced to wear Narcissistic Masks? No person in their right mind wants to be with a narcissist, or someone who has narcissistic traits, regardless of sex! That’s why narcissism is hidden, and people don’t go around outwardly in public admitting to they’re a narcissist or acting narcissictly- how would they attract anyone then?
    In regards to ‘attack on the typical western alpha male’- There has been a massive ‘hyper masculinity’ that has been present for a long time in males now- which for some reason, some males like to blame women for as its a reaction to ‘feminism’. They say men have been attacked. In some extreme feminist cases, that is true. However, feminism means equality in its real raw form, it does not mean superiority over men or becoming the superior sex. But some males perceived it that way- feminism was a threat to what some men see as their right to control and have more rights than another human being- that is women. This push to become cold, callous, emotionless and uncaring was all done, by males. Not women. Women didn’t stand up and say that a man was weak or a pussy to show his emotions.
    What I have witnessed in recent years is that women have just gained more of an equal plane with men.

  32. …AND BUNS CAN GET REALLY TRICKY IF YOU MAKE THEM WITH WEAT INFECTED WITH FUNGI…SOMEWHERE, DEAR OLD ROBERT GRAVES, WRITES ABOUT THE ORACLE AT DELPHI AND THIS WEAT-FUNGI CONNECTION…OR WAS SIR JAMES FRAZER IN THE GOLDEN BOUGH?

  33. Hello Marina! I’ve been Reading slowly this great post of yours about Ceres. Haven’t finished reading it trough all of it yet. But this part:

    “… because most other ethnic groups have their religion as a unifying sense of oneness and strength”.

    I think we have to tinge it a bit, to my thinking, thou it can be true in certain cases, religion is a way to control and suppress personal feelings of individuals to majority, which it, in itself is not necessary something good for all but for the ones on top.

    You being brought up as a catholic, as myself, and neither of us following that anymore can understand this well.

    I lived in England long time ago, and yes, you people there have some national bonds stronger than Anglican church wich is, to my liking, a kind of religious joke.

    Most English people love fish and chips, pubs and good beer, football, horse reces, lovely gardens, nature, dogs and some even love cats…don’t know if I miss something in the list…maybe steak and kidney pie…Oh! Yes, you don’t like foreigners.

    Surely all the above it’s not strong enough to keep a nation strong, but that’s what I sensed then, in 1974.

    I live in Mexico and thou most people here are catholics, this religion and for the record anyone, is weaker and weaker every day.

    We have our love for our food and traditions and, most of all, we have to be on guard against American, Canadian and some European corporations to come here to plunder…so we have to keep together tight, like it or not.

    As far as I’ve been watching some news around, there is a chritian revival around in Europe. Russians have got their orthodox church and, it seems it’s strong enough out there, kind of empowered by the state.

    Trouble me this religion stuff because it’s always so prone to nurture fanatics.

    I like a lot your work, keep on it, you bring fresh air to astrology for me.

  34. I have Venus ceres Neptune in conjunction natally in Libra conjunct moon 2 degrees in Scorpio in 6th house.intercepted textile pluto in 5th.moon textile mars in 9th.Can u tell me what this means.I just found out about this ceres conjunction.I d work with animals a lot and love the natural world

  35. I have been working on how Ceres actually works in popular figures charts for most of this year. Your article helps fill in some of the gaps. I’ve found modern astrologers don’t “get” Ceres at all with this “nurture” archetype they talk about. I would say its strong in many celebrity charts and often malific. The first thing I noticed was that all of the women JFK had affairs with had it prominent in their charts (at least the one’s I could find charts for). Last week I spent a while going over the charts of Natalie Wood and the various characters involved in her drowning in 1981 when Ceres conjuncted Pluto. I would definitely say that is a Ceres story, complete with the controlling Mother and all that. When you understand the triad as you say, it makes sense of the Natalie Wood story. Just this weekend I saw the 2001 movie “Blow” for the first time. This is the story about the real life of George Jung, the drug dealer. George Jung had Ceres conjunct Eris at around 4* Aries. I’d love to give a talk on he stuff I’ve found as soon as a venue comes up, I will.

  36. What if you have Ceres Conjunct Regulus at an exact conjunction…and both 29 degrees in the natal chart. Reading this article scares me.

  37. My Ceres is conjunct Chiron in Pisces,3rd. Opposite Pluto, in Virgo in 9th. This Pluto is conjunct my narcissistic mother’s sun Moon/Neptune conjunction.I ‘m the black sheep, my brothers are the golden boys, the youngest more than the other, cause he has two young kids himself.Eris is at 10 Aries in Aries. I dn’t see any connectiona with the other two.

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