The Three Liliths

There are three Liliths in astrology that you can place in your chart. We have Black Moon Lilith, Asteroid Lilith and the lesser known Dark Moon Lilith. I used to see them together as the Triple Moon Goddess and thought it made sense to use them in that way. I then found out that Demetra George had come up with a similar concept about Lilith, so I thought we might be onto something. Comparing the three Liliths to the bible story she says:

“The Asteroid Lilith describes the first stage in the mythical journey where she is suppressed, humiliated and flees in a fiery rage to the desolate wilderness. The Dark Moon Lilith depicts the pain of her exile where she plots and executes revenge. The Black Moon Lilith shows how she transmutes her distorted image back into its natural healthy expression” [1]

UPDATE 2016! I now believe that splitting the energy of Lilith into three separate parts dilutes its meaning and confuses matters more than it clarifies. I keep this post up just so people understand the difference between the three of them. The lunar apogee version, the Black Moon Lilith has always been my primary Lilith, but I no longer use the mean version in my research or readings now. I have discovered that only the True Lilith version has significance astronomically. After more research, I have found that the astrology seems to support that too. You can read about why I came to that conclusion in my “Are We Moon Food” post.

I would say however, that Asteroid Lilith does seem to have a lot to do with 3rd wave, neo-Feminism and will revisit that post at a later date. Like all asteroids, Asteroid Lilith is more interesting as a tool of divination and synchronicity rather than anything classically astrological. My studies of Eris and Ceres have shown these bodies have far more cosmic meat than a hypothetical body or point. Eris and Ceres are both now classed as dwarf planets, putting them on the same level as Pluto. Anyone who has gone through a significant Pluto transit knows that it is anything but ‘dwarf’.

The Three Liliths

Asteroid Lilith

asteroid-lilith-glyph(1181 on The only solid representation of Lilith found in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter

ORBIT. Takes 4 years to orbit the Sun. Discovered in 1927. Diameter of 67km.

KEY WORDS. Rebellion, feminist, prostitution, exile, freedom fighter, confrontational, equality, impulsive, innovative, unconventional, asexual, instinctual, hands-on healing.

Asteroid Lilith is hands-on with her energy as represented by her hand-like glyph. Earthy and practical, she reflects the part of the creation myth where she protests to God about having the “lay beneath” Adam and not being treated as his equal.

Asteroid Lilith is like URANUS/ERIS. Uranus having been castrated makes him asexual, he is often sited as being the “gay” planet which is suggestive of alternative lifestyles. Asteroid Lilith is also the eternal child, a Peter-pan since the lack of a traditional sexuality restricts the act of having children naturally.

Asteroid Lilith Feature.

black moon lilithBlack Moon Lilith

black-moon-lilith-glyphThis is the Lilith most in general use. Comprises True Osculating Lilith (h13 on  & Mean Lilith ( from their regular drop down menu.)

ORBIT. It has a 9 year orbit. The mean version spends 9 months in each sign. The true version fluctuates wildly.

KEY WORDS. Priestess V prostitute, magic v sorcery, forbidden fruit, angels v demons, animal magnetism, kundalini, tantric sex, seduction, the supernatural, intuition, psychic ability, psychic healing, hypnotism, charisma, altered states, glamour, shamanism, psychedelic drugs, addiction, obsession.

This is not a solid object, it is a point of alignment. The Black Moon is the apogee of the Moons orbit, the point that is farthest from the earth. Just as there is a Lunar mean and true Node, so there is a Mean and True (osculating) Lilith.

Black Moon Lilith orbitBlack Moon Lilith is like NEPTUNE/ERIS. This part of the Lilith myth corresponds to the forbidden fruit episode, where Lilith comes back as a serpent. The serpent represents occult knowledge, while the apple representing sex or enthogens. Neptune is very much like a psychic sponge. The zone has shamanic qualities, a similar effect to using drugs to break down the barriers to the unconscious. Like deceptive Neptune when drugged, this zone can let in the demons as well as messages from the spirits.

Black Moon Lilith feature.

Dark Moon Lilith

waldemath-moon-glyphAlso known as the Waldemath Moon or Sepharial’s Moon. (h58 on Sighting of this mysterious 2nd Moon goes back as far as 1618. it is supposed to resemble a sphere shaped dust cloud. In 1918, Astrologer Sepharial claimed to have confirmed the existence of Waldemath’s ‘ghost moon’.

ORBIT. It flies through the chart, like a witch on it’s broomstick taking 119 days to travel round the earth spending 10 days in one sign.

KEY WORDS. Vengeance, Sadomasochism, Demons, The Shadow, Rage, Anti-mother, Fairytales, Nightmares, Ghosts, Nymphomania, Gremlins, Psycho, Toxins, Depth psychology, Stalkers, emotional pain, Catharsis, Madness.

The Dark Moon is the hurt, nasty side of Lilith, and very much like Algol the notorious Fixed star. It can be channeled beneficially if used without ego to release negativity through creativity or art therapy. It is the part of the Lilith myth where in exile she turned baby killer out of revenge to god. “Dark Moon relates to highly individualized soul desires that are denied personal satisfaction for higher expression on social/spiritual levels.” ~ Kelley Hunter.

Dark Moon Lilith is like PLUTO/ERIS. The shadow and demons are very much part of Pluto’s underworld, generally he is thought to have raped and abducted Persephone (Eris), but in other versions Persephone goes willingly. Dark Moon then can work two ways like the myth, we either face our Demons and release them safely or we bury them. If they are allowed to fester they become enraged, then we risk them breaking out and psychically “raping” us.

Dark Moon Lilith Feature.

The Three Liliths In Your Horoscope

Create your chart HERE. It will take you to a page that shows says free Horoscopes at Astrodienst.
Scroll down to right at the very bottom and click on “Extended Chart Selection
In “Additional objects“, select “Lilith”. This is Black Moon Lilith (Mean)
In the box for “additional asteroids or “hypothetical” planets” add 1181, h13, h58. This will show asteroid Lilith, Black Moon Lilith (True/Osculating) and Dark Moon Lilith in that order.

1. Finding our Way through the Dark. Demetra George. pg 92.

180 thoughts on “The Three Liliths

  1. “La lune noire, justement, est la voie, la forme et le processus par lesquels l’Esprit se manifeste et s’actualise en nous’ – Marc Beriault
    La Lune Noire, l’individuation de l’être – 2000 – (260 pp) Éditions du Rocher, Paris, France

    I do not know whether Marc Beriault’s ‘La Lune Noire, l’individuation de l’être’ book has been translated in English but offers from far the most interesting study by sign/houses and aspect of the Lilith Archetype, away from the usual babble
    my translation from the quote above (i am not a professional translator, just tried my best)
    ‘the Black Moon, indeed, is the way, the form and the process by which Spirit manifests and actualizes itself in us’

  2. Marina, Is it possible to have a ‘Black Moon’ Lilith return? I used the calculations and came up with the transit degrees that are the same as my natal Lilith. Also is “oscillating Lilith” a reference to the mean node?

    1. Hi Janna, I wouldn’t look at a Black Moon Lilith return myself. Osculating Lilith is True Lilith. (True Node)

    2. True Lilith is the true node? I thought the nodes if the moon were a different subject

  3. This article and all of your subsequent Lilith articles are inspired! I spent an entire evening reading them all & running many charts. I’ve always had an interest in Black Moon Lilith’s place in the chart but have found very little information on the subject. Now I have 3 (more like 4) Liliths to investigate!
    I especially like your idea that Eris could be her higher octave. Eris was first introduced to me as the goddess supreme of the exceptionally silly but still intelligent “religion” of Discordianism. So she became a very different entity to me once she was also a figure in astrology. The Discordian influence still sticks in my mind though. I wonder if you’re familiar with it?
    And just fyi I am loving this website!!

    1. Thanks. I have forgotten about Lilith lately due to research into Ceres. But I hope to tie everything together soon. I will be working with a software company who produce instantly downloadable astrology reports and I hope to get out a Black Moon Lilith report soon.
      Ah yes the discord aspect is one that I have to add to the Eris post when I re-vamp it.

  4. Hi, for ages I’ve been confused as to which lilith is the default addition on astrodienst. There are so many references to different liliths in various articles. I’m afraid your article has confused me once again….

    If I go to this description:

    Then it’s clear that the lilith in the immediate add on list in extended chart selection on is the Moon apogee. However they refer to this in their article as ‘dark moon lilith’. In your article you refer to ‘dark moon’ as an entirely different asteroid.

    You also list ‘h13’ as the apogee lilith, however this is not the same as the one which defaults on astrodienst extended chart selection page. h13 comes up as ‘lilith (o)’ and has no glyph.

    The reason lilith isn’t used it regular chart analysis is down to all this conflicting information, so I’d like to be clear and simply use the one which is listed on astrodienst as a default and then do my cross-referencing from there.

  5. i have lillith conjunct my mercury.
    black moon lillith conjunct my mercury and venus
    and dark moon lillith in my 7th house.

    all of this sounds very bad.

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