The sinking of the Titanic has always fascinated me as a very sad story of a vessel being pulled down into the underworld, to me it has elements of the Persephone myth about it. We have a time for Titanic hitting the Iceberg at 11.40pm. [wiki]. It’s a pretty phenomenal chart as you would imagine. Pluto on the Descendant (29′), South Node and Spica on the Midheaven (22′). Massive wealth, power, status. Titanic tragedy.
Titanic Horoscope
The Nodes are conjunct the MC/IC axis by only 22′, and this ship should have been a success with Spica on the MC, but it is being squared by the God of the sea Neptune and Persephone’s mother Ceres. Ceres is opposed Black Moon Lilith. Which can be a daughter rebelling against her mother (Much like described in the 1997 film Titanic with Kate Winslet & Leonardo Di Caprio.)
Lilith square Sun (31′) also describes Liliths anti-establishment ethos and which in the film was played out by 1st class passenger Kate & 3rd class emmigrant Leonardo.
Lilith can break up families, and bring tragedy. Ceres is about abduction and grief. So it’s not surprising these are in hard aspect. I’m sure many children lost their parents in the tragedy since there was a struggle for lifeboats and it was women and children first.
The chart is mostly below the horizon, or below sea level. The most interesting conjunction is the Moon and Eris both on Scheat. “It causes extreme misfortune, murder, suicide, and drowning.” [1] and with the Moon in particular “danger of accidents and by water”. I mentioned Persephone earlier and Eris to me is Persephone after the rape. In this case Pluto is the iceberg, ripping into her side. I also have found Eris in hard aspect to the Moon very dangerous and psychotic in my post on Psychopath Astrology. And we have a Hades Moon square Pluto to add to the Persephone theme. Just read the link and it makes sense with the whole tragedy
The Moon is conjunct Eris/Persephone below the horizon. This is the ship being pulled down into the underworld by Pluto the Iceberg. But Pluto is just re-balancing something. Ceres conjunct Neptune could be the big impossible dream, the opulence, the chandeliers, Persephone’s privileged background. The ship contained societies elite, most of whom must have survived. Ceres square Sun conjunct a Mercury retrograde. Well naturally!
Even the way the poor ship nose-dived like a torpedo after only 2 hours seems to be described by the Sun on the North Node at the IC. Titanic’s fate lay below sea level. Apparently there was an huge amount of coal stored in the bowels of the ship that caught fire and weakened its structure, melting its iron so that it snapped in two. Pluto is of course coal. Because of this huge wealth of Pluto the unsinkable was sink.
Pluto on the DC was on Betelgeuse.“Honors and titles will be given…If setting, these honors and titles will not come until after death.”. The Titanic has become a legend since it sank, so it is still very much alive in peoples consciousness. Titanic is big business and such is the obsession with it there are Titanic conventions and even an astrologer who specializes in finding the Titanic past-life connections in your chart! The AC was on the star Acumen the sting of the Scorpion which again makes me think of Pluto the God of the underworld stripping down this symbol of overblown wealth and privilege. All that luxury is now eroding at the bottom of the Atlantic.
Captain Smith – Titanic Synastry
Captain Smith’s natal North Node, Moon and Ascendant are all in the Titanic’s 8th house of death. His natal Moon opposes Titanic’s Uranus which is traditionally the planet of accidents, shocks and disaster. Smith’s Saturnian scythe is on the Titanic’s Venus, her luxury and wealth. His disastrous Uranus is Titanic’s destiny being that it is on her North Node/IC conjunction and in horary astrology the IC is the “End Of The Matter”.
Smith has Pluto on his own MC (55′) which makes him an agent of Pluto, Persephone’s abductor. His MC/Pluto falls on Titanic’s Mercury/Sun conjunction in the Underworld (4th house) both squaring the the sorrowful Ceres/Lilith opposition.
Captain Smiths Sedna falls on the calamitous Moon/Eris conjunction on Scheat. Sedna’s mythology is one of betrayal by the father, but it is also very similar to the myth of Persephone in the sense it is about the parent/child relationship and being forced to grow up in a very brutal manner. Captain Smith was responsible for the safety of his passengers and ship so he was the symbolic father. In effect he was responsible, albeit indirectly, for any children who had been orphaned by the tragedy and for them having to grow up quick.
I think it’s amazing how the astrology shows us why the story of the Titanic has continued to fascinate us 100 years on. There is an underlying mythology that touches us on a very deep level which is why the film Titanic is the second highest grossing film of all time. And even the fictional love story, created to carry the account of the Titanic’s sinking, is reflected in the horoscope of the sinking.
Titania – wow, what a lovely name.
The Jesuit link to Captain Smith is interesting – I’ve seen many discussions about this over the years – but it’s hard for me to believe this man carried out orders from this group to help sink the ship. Was Smith responsible for the ship’s sinking? …. well he was the Captain, and he made some questionable (bad) decisions, so yes he was responsible. He was seen on the deck with tears in his eyes. I surmise these were tears of guilt because of error, rather than tears of guilt associated with any deliberate crime he had committed.
Might Captain Smith have been influenced by something (or someone) else? He went down with the ship. Dead men tell no tales, so the full extent of Bruce Ismay’s influence, for example, on Smith might have been known to only a few in 1912. He and many others were questioned at the 2 enquiries held, but it doesn’t follow the full extent of what happened was revealed. If anyone pulled Smith’s strings, this was the man who had cause to do so. The course the ship steered into the ice field and its speed has always raised many questions and the answers (there are many theories) always steer away from Bruce Ismay. (I think it’s interesting that in Cameron’s movie Ismay’s influence on the Captain is very definite. Was this a sub-conscious memory of the truth)?
The real issue though was that there simply were not enough lifeboats. This was whitewashed over in 1912 and nobody – neither the Board of Trade or the White Star Line – were ‘effectively’ held accountable. There were even attempts to apportion strong blame to the collective group of passengers in lifeboats for not going back to the scene; even though there were individuals who wanted and insisted on going back (and some who actually did) …. things were said so as to steer the spotlight away from those who were really responsible for the loss of life.
Lady Louise Patten, Officer Lightoller’s granddaughter is an author of 2 fictional novels (her second was as ‘Good As Gold’). It is in the 2nd book (of fiction) that she refers to the Titanic crew steering error. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/8016752/Titanic-sunk-by-steering-blunder-new-book-claims.html
So is this fact or fiction? Many Titanic-maritime enthusiasts-experts have ridiculed her account. But, Lightoller and his crew might have had ample time to get their stories straight while on board the Carpathia as she was making her way to N.Y.; and I can well imagine this is something Lightoller might have done (if Lady Patten’s story is true) if he felt the implications of the truth might mean many would lose their jobs.
I have my sun conjunct Titanic’s Pluto and my north node conjunct her Neptune … both on the exact degree. A few years ago when Pluto was transiting Saggitarius in the last degrees (so opposite my sun and Titanic’s pluto) I began to experience, for the first time, past life recall. I was on the Titanic.
You mentioned your daughter loves the movie ‘Titanic’. James Cameron is connected with the ship. He has gone down to the wreck on more than one occasion. In 1912 he was Lord Pirrie, Chairman of Harland and Wollf (the company that built the ship). James is not the only one I recognise …. there are many others.
P.S. Does the fixed star Scheat also figure prominently in Titanic’s chart?
No Scheat not featured, but there are some things I didn’t mention. The sinking chart has Pluto on the DC conjunct the very powerful Betelgeuse. Your Sun is on that. Wow!
Both the Sun & Mercury on Al Pherg the knot holding together the two fishes in PISCES.
“Robson says Al Pherg is associated with the Greek “Head of Typhon”. [Robson*, p.134.]
The astrological influences of the constellation Pisces
Legend: Venus and her son Cupid while sitting on the bank of the Euphrates suddenly saw Typhon, the enemy of the Gods, approaching them. They leapt into the river and were saved from drowning by two fishes, who were afterwards placed in the heavens by Venus in gratitude for their help. [Robson*, p.57.]“
Interesting to have the Sun associated with a star that is about saving from drowning. And yes it is outrageous they didn’t have enough lifeboats no matter how “unsinkable”
Well, I didn’t drown, so that makes perfect sense.
I completely rewrote this from the original post 2 years ago.So SCHEAT!!!!!…..is very much featured and validates why I increased my orbs for the major fixed stars. The Moon is 1 degree 55′ from Scheat and back then I was using an orb of 1 degree 30′ which is the blanket orb that some astrologers use regardless of magnitude. Scheat is a 2.6 magnitude star. I give them an orb of 2.30 degs now.
I thought so. Thank you for re-writing.
I thnk the Titanic is a ig enough feature in western parlance to be a very useful symbol for many things.
DId you see Cameron’s documentary about Titanic? Very good indeed.
shivers ran through me when i read your last paragraph….well, still shivering…thank you for your insights…
I read somewhere that it was not the captain piloting the ship when it crashed the iceberg. If it wasn’t an accident then Jacob Astor ,Molly Brown and Gugenheim could have been targets. J P Morgan missing the boat is very interesting. Kinda like Larry Silverstein missing his meeting at the Eyes Of The World restuarant atop the WTC on 9/11 at 9 am.
The Jesuits were founded by Ignacious Loyola who also founded the Illumbrados known later as the Illuminati.Iggy is now an RCC saint.
In a letter from president John Adams to Jefferson he writes if there ever was a group of men worthy of eternal damnation it is the Jesuits.
From Dark History of the Jesuits
One guy wrote a book about having memories of having built the Titanic in a previous life.
Alexander Morse who invented Morse code was in Italy and heard the Jesuits were planning to kill Lincoln who was printing greenback dollars. He quickly got back to America and told Lincoln what he had heard. Lincoln said he heard it also.
KAL 007 flight that killed 300 was most likely another fed Reserve hit.
Nixon got warned off that flight. Congressman Larry McDonald who was on the finace commitee was calling for an audit of the federal reserve , then he and 300 others were killed. The fed has never been audited.
There are lots of mysteries around this, a priest in New Mexico sent a telegram about Lincoln having been killed, but it was 24 hours before he was shot.
Lincoln may have started the war for personal gain according to some researchers. Worst war for America 1/2 a million brutally murdered on the killing fields.
Hi Steve, I’d heard about the Lincoln assassination threat from the Jesuits too. I just have a really horrid feel about them. Lots of mysteries yes. I was surprised to find so many websites dealing with this.
Smith had just retired to bed …. it was close to midnight and no Captain is up 24/7 to steer their ship.
It was William Barnes who wrote a book about his past life recall as the ship’s builder Tommie Andrews. This was his way of setting the record straight, because he went down with the ship. He was not at the enquiries to defend himself.
I missed the Lockerbie jet thanks to a bad tempered boyfriend.
I was wondering why it is on tv so much this weekend (9-24 and 25), and I do love the movie, having taught school in Pacoima where Leo DeCaprio is from, so when he says he is seizing opportunity in life, he isn’t kidding…anyway, is this a psyops this weekend to warn anyone who want to rat out the fed, that they too will be in peril…because i understood the titanic to have opposers of the fed onboard, who then died…just wondering if anyone else has thoughts on this…thanks, jaine
Now as a sailor myself, I enjoyed reading this thoroughly, BUT – it makes me wonder about a ship’s christening, when they break the bottle of champagne on the bow and slide her into the water for the first time. This is essentially the “birth” of the ship, no matter how long she’s been sitting in drydock: the belief is that a part of the spirit of the person breaking the bottle enters the ship at that moment.
In this regard, I am two-fold curious about both Titanic’s own christening chart, and that of the ill-fated Edmund Fitzgerald (whose christening was anything but smooth: she attempted to jump right back out of the water as she was launched and that’s far from a good sign for a ship!)
This launch chart seems to be cast for 2011… ):O
Ok. Sorry folks, made a typo. Here is the chart for the Titanic launch for the correct year! The mistake chart was exactly 100 years later, for the anniversary in effect, both charts still have Algol on the MC.
The Scheat connection continues as here we have Mars on Scheat. “With Mars: Many accidents, sickness to native and relatives. [Robson]“
The ship was never christened since it was not the policy of the white star line. But there is an official launch time. Chart is posted lower down the comments.
Thank you for your insights with that: it sheds a little bit of starlight on the whole tragedy.
Hi Marina, great piece on the Titanic! I can’t comment on the Jesuit conspiracy, but did you check out the Sabian Symbols for the charts of the Titanic? They’re amazing… as usual! Neptune is on Cancer 22: A Woman Awaiting A Sailboat… Pluto on Gemini 28: Bankruptcy Granted To A Man, He Leaves the Court… Mars (in the launch chart) is on Cancer 3: A Reindeer Leading An Explorer Through Icy Canyons (icebergs) and it goes on and on. The North Node is Aries 22: The Gate To The Garden Of All Fulfilled Desires… oh, and the launch chart has (from memory) Leo 12 on the ascendant An Evening Lawn Party Of Adults which makes the descendant Aquarius 12: People on Stairs Graduated Upwards (class distinctions)… what a huge story! Thanks for your article, Cheers, Lynda
Great Linda, I have started to look at these Sabian symbols. What I love about them is they are specific to a degree and fine tune just like the fixed stars do. They have a real magic about them. You have reminded me to start looking at them more. I wonder how they correlate with the fixed stars. That’ll be a book one day….
Note the position of Neptune in the chart!
I watched a documentary on tv last night – a forensic analysis. Basically there was a phenomena not understood then which is now understood. The Fata Morgana mirage. http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120415.html
This obscured the view of the iceberg and the subsequent stricken Titanic. Its the same as the refraction on the road when it look sweet but isn’t.
Fata Morgana is so Neptunian and the fact it was an optical illusion which obscured the deadly iceberg is a perfect illustration of Neptune. And again, as Neptune is now in PIsces, it reveals an illusion created the tragedy… amazing!
sorry ! That should read “when it looks wet” – not sweet!!! Will turn auto correct OFF!
oh! And apparently any lights such as aldiss lamp sos would have looked like twinkling stars to other boats. So Neptune even tricked the stars…
http://www.astrotheme.com/celestar/portrait.php?info=1&clef=qgV2QpmNM4MN
Birthchart of James Cameron. Worth a look!
We don’t have his time, so if you draw up Cameron’s chart for 9pm his moon falls on Scheat. What’s the betting this is his birth time? You loose that cool Yod to the Moon tho which showed on your midday chart. It would make sense that he would have some strong synastry with the Titanic.
I like the yod! He did make Avatar after all!
Wow, the two top grossing films of all time?! We really need his birthtime.
11:40 PM was ship time calculated the previous night for the local noon each day. On April 14th, the ship was at 44 Degrees 31 Minutes Longitude during the local noon.
Time zones are set at every 15 degrees of longitude.
Greenwich Time begins at 0 Degrees West Longitude and ends at 15 Degrees West Longitude
Greenwich -1 Hours begins at 15 Degrees West Longitude and ends at 30 Degrees West Longitude.
Greenwich -2 Hours begins at 30 Degrees West Longitude and ends at 45 Degrees west longitude.
Greenwich -3 Hours begins at 45 Degrees West Longitude and ends at 60 Degrees West Longitude.
Therefore, local noon for April 14th on Titanic was set for the -3 Hour time zone in the Atlantic. At that moment, it was 3 PM in Greenwich, England and 10 AM in New York.
Therefore when Titanic struck the iceberg at 11:40 PM Apparent Ship Time, it was 9:40 PM Eastern Time(April 14th in U.S.) and 2:40 AM Greenwich(April 15th in U.K.)
At midnight on April 14th/15th(the night of the sinking), ship time was tracked backwards 47 minutes for noon on April 15th(regardless of whether or not the ship was sinking). So once the clock hit midnight, the time was moved back to 11:13 PM April 14th and the ship finally sunk at 2:20 AM according to the new adjusted time.
It’s likely the clocks were set back that night since the crews on White Star Lines were sticklers for maintaining their schedules.
Everyone thinks the sinking took place in a space of 2 Hours and 40 Minutes but if you add 47 more minutes to the time(to account for the rollback on the clocks), Titanic sunk in a timespan of 3 Hours 27 Minutes.
Adding 3 Hours and 27 Minutes to 9:40 PM Eastern Time gives us;
1:07 AM Eastern Time (April 15th)
3:07 AM -3 Hours From Greenwich(April 15th)
6:07 AM Greenwich Time (April 15th)
This is the time Titanic sank, assuming the clocks were set back the night of the sinking.
Watch Schedules on Titanic
http://www.titanicology.com/WatchTablesFile.htm
I’m quite happy with ships time. For a chart we need location so if we use these corrected times what location do we use? Much Astrology is symbolic these days due to precession so this is a symbolic chart and it works for me. Eric Francis is using ships time too and makes the Moon/Eris observation. http://planetwaves.net/pagetwo/daily-astrology/charts/titanic-astrology-pluto-eris/
Dear Marina, Since we are talking about the Sabian Symbols having so much meaning, I would like to inquire about my favorite point in the sky, Vulcanus. I will have to check where Vulcanus was at that time. It bodes incredible strength.
Again, I just love this website.
HAve looked everywhere for CAmeron’s birth time but no one seems to have it.
The Piscean moon might be in the 12th house? He seems to have a way of expressing the collective myths. But also very detailed in his work. Virgo asc? All guess work! But I bet he’s reincarnated off the Titanic.
I bet you are right!
uberqueenofwands, Cameron is connected with the Titanic, but was not on the Titanic. I mentioned who he was in an earlier post.
very interesting Jane! I wonder if Cameron is aware of his past lives enough to sense this as well. And can’t he just tell us his birthtime for this incarnation already?
Hi Marina: I’ve been following one thread of Titanic anniversary articles discussing the fact that in January 1912 there was a full Moon at “extreme proxigee” (closest approach of Moon to Earth in 300 years). This coincided with perihelion (shortest annual distance between Sun and Earth in over 100 years). The result was exceptionally high tides that over the months pushed icebergs further south than usual into shipping lanes. The shipwreck also occurred between two eclipses that April on the 1st and 17th, which adds a metaphysical spin to the geophysical slant of the tides. But in the end, the ship was going too fast, and the captain ignored warnings of icebergs in the area.
I sure wish I hadn’t thrown out the huge file I had on the Titanic! It was quite thick with charts that I’d spent ages on and papers and research material and all kind of observations. I’ve also written quite a few articles that now I can’t find. I also can’t find the Titanic charts in my Solar Fire. I don’t know what’s with that! [As I write this, it is bucketing down raining here in Avalon, Sydney, Australia - water gushing like crazy]. Curiously, I hung a fabulous old artwork of the Titanic in my kitchen and wondered whether the lease would be renewed on the house and found out a week or so later that I have to move. It felt like a Titanic connection there as I wondered if putting it up on the wall was a good idea
I had no idea that the 100 anniversary was coming up… curious that I threw out that huge file just days before it… thought to share! Back to packing and staying out of this enormous gushing water that’s pouring off the roof!
Marina your work is excellent but you made a mistake re the coal in Titanic’s hold, it cannot ignite or burn easily, coal need certain
conditions to burn, like oxygen , and a certain exposed surface etc.I can explain in more detail if needed.
It used 825 tonnes of coal a day.
The Titanic was a passanger ship. so it would carry enough coal only for steam generation.Coal is burned ,like 100 years ago, in special combustion chambers, where small amounts are exposed to an oxygen-rich environment with additional blowers to increase combustion rate. A compacted mass of coal cannot burn by itself.The mechanism of Titanic sinking is well documented, it did not break in 2 pieces due to fire.
Thanks Fanie, I’m an Astrologer not a scientist.;) (Jim), so I don’t know much about coal other than it makes a good barbie and it is ruled by Pluto!
Thank You.I found the following article with very good info about reasons and method of Titanic sinking :Vicki Basset, Undergraduate Engineering Review, Causes and effect of the rapid sinking of the Titanic.Its on Google. But Marina, your articles are better than many Scientists work… yes i am Leo so excuse my attitude …we like to be “know-it-alls” ,and sometimes we are even correct…in our own eyes…lol
Ha ha! I always have this with Leos being an Aquarian, see my regal Leo friend Uberqueenofwands’s comment on the Yod post. What a sweet compliment though re:Scientists. Leos aren’t the only ones that like flattery
Thank you Marina.Yes it makes sense that coal is ruled by Pluto, as coal mining cause massive environmental damage,lung disease, air and water pollution etc.Most coal types also contain a percentage of sulphur, causing acid rain.I can never forget that fine black dust and the smell of sulphur at my first job, penetrating everywhere…killing birds etc.Good Luck…