Taylor & Burton Synastry

To show how Lilith works in synastry I thought it would be best to pick the most Lilithy couple I could find. Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton are a classic example of star-crossed lovers. There was certainly a grand passion between them, and they famously divorced and remarried twice. Liz Taylor was more than a match for Richard Burton. Their fights were legendary, for many years they were Hollywood’s golden couple but also an example of Liliths double edged sword. As a couple they demonstrated both the wild and destructive Lilith energy and the charismatic and magnetic power of the Dark moon.

When using Lilith in synastry, it is best to start simple. I really wouldn’t use more than one to start with. The one to use would be the Black Moon Lilith, the lunar apogee. If you have any doubts about the accuracy of the birthtimes I would play safe and use Mean Lilith. Harmonious Lilith aspects between each partner brings magic into each other’s life, adding spice where one already has good sexual connections. Long term however Lilith aspects cannot really replace the classic Mars/Venus synastry aspects.

Black Moon Lilith will show how tantric your sexual relations could be and add to the all-important sexual chemistry. Hard aspects to the personal planets may show an irresistible, obsessive attraction, the sort that hypnotises you into abandoning your more regular moon, domestic commitments. Lilith is what makes you leave a 30 year marriage on a whim. She can break the spell of entrenched habitual behaviour, but at worst she really is in modern terms what you would call a “Bunny Boiler”, a classic home-wrecker.

Elizabeth Taylor

Elizabeth has a huge Black Moon Corridor, containing the North Node, Eris, Part of Fortune, and a very tight Venus/Uranus conjunction (05′). I’m not surprised to see discordant Eris in there. So all these give a strong Lilith flavour and Venus conjunct Uranus certainly describes her sparkling sexuality.

Her Sun conjunct Mercury gets a square from the demonic and mysterious Waldemath Dark Moon which in turn squares Neptune. This dynamic, driven, but also difficult T square aspect completely describes her love affair with the demon liquor and also her glamorous career. The apex has Dark Moon conjunct her DC, what she attracts in a partner. Perfectly brooding Burton. Feminist Asteroid Lilith opposes Black Moon Lilith, attempting to reconcile rebellion and equality with sexual magnetism. Elizabeth Taylor Horoscope.

Richard Burton

Richard’s birth data is DD, so I won’t pay attention to his angles. His Mean Lilith is tightly trine Mercury, he was famous for his mesmerizing voice. He certainly had a seductive vocal delivery as an actor. Like Liz he also has a Lilith in aspect to alcoholic Neptune. His Asteroid Lilith opposes it. So he is the rebellious drinker, the renegade.

His Dark Moon is semi-sextile Eris, the outcast vibe here with a demonic flavour. He said he drank because he always felt like the “poor boy from Wales” amongst the Hollywood elite. He never felt he really fitted into their clique. Dark Moon is the exiled Lilith and Eris in myth was the angry goddess that wasn’t invited to the wedding. The Dark Moon is hurt and vengefull, like the malevolent fairy in sleeping beauty.

Lilith in Synastry

Lilith in aspect to Neptune

Elizabeth TaylorNot surprising to see the forbidden fruit of Neptune poison in a double whammy here. Neptune is film, glamour too and the alcoholism. Neptune trine Lilith gives that soul mate, star-crossed lovers touch, but the quincunx creates yearning, fantasy and the danger of delusion. Lilith with Neptune can work on two levels, sexual enlightenment or the very worst toxic relationship. The most beautiful euphoric fantasy can dissolve into treachery and betrayal.

Lilith in aspect to Ceres

Ceres has her dark side and can get melancholy at the pain of separation. She can also be about indulgence, Richard was famous for buying Liz some very extravagant jewellery. They were both quite vulgar in their display of their wealth. Ceres can be bi-polar and describes the swinging from winter to summer in their relationship. Trines can be indulgent and lazy. This aspects suggests binge drinking and then detoxing.

Lilith in aspect to Chiron

There was plenty of verbal wounding between the both of them. If Chiron is Jesus and Lilith is Mary Magdalene, then this is equality between divine beings. Their epic fights were a passionate battle of the sexes and I’m sure their relationship provided them plenty of opportunity for soul growth. Liz was at home being the diva, but when her spoilt-princess act got too much, Richard would slap her back to reality. Richard was used to women falling at his feet so meeting his equal meant his usual unquestioned male supremacy was put to the test.

Dark Moon in aspect to Mars

And this is where it was put to the test. Richards Dark Moon was the poor insecure Welsh boy that didn’t fit in and also his drinking demon. Liz’s strong, fighting planet is aspecting it. Conjunctions are hard aspect and in their regular synastry they have a very challenging Mars opposition Saturn to go with this.

Lilith in aspect to Asteroid Lilith

Asteroid Lilith features strongly between these too and this is a double whammy. The combination of the magical, sexual, glamour and the fighting, rebellious energy they generated between them very much conjures up the revolutionary Uranian Asteroid Lilith here. They were famous in the 60’s, reflecting the tensions in the wider world in the sexual revolution amplified by the Uranus Pluto conjunction.

Lilith In The Composite Chart

So how do all the Liliths work within the bigger picture of the composite chart? I picked the Burton composite midpoint chart rather than the Davison, because here all 3 Liliths are very active. Starting with the basics. Are there any Liliths in aspect to the AC or luminaries? In this chart, we have a Sun square Moon. Richards chart is DD, so we can’t look at the angles and the orb may be bigger or smaller than this very tight square, but I’m betting the time is pretty good because this one aspect pretty much sums up their relationship. The Moon is trined by Black Moon Lilith which makes them a classic example of a Lilith couple right from the start.

The Black Moon trine the Moon is very strong, but it is quincunx the Sun also, I wrote that this aspect ”seems to be about creating unique and unusual ways to exorcise ones demons. The quincunx shows the successful alchemical blending of seemingly incongruous elements. These self-divined people somehow get away with being respected and idolized combined with also being the taboo, exiled or demonic. Sometimes they start their life being the darlings of society, repressing their eccentricity and then shockingly flip over to their more authentic selves which then exiles them.” Well, that certainly describes this couple very well I think. Amy Winehouse had this natally, so if their composite was a person it would be her, like Richard & Liz she certainly had addiction problems and an obsessive, tumultuous love life.

Elizabeth Taylor Richard Burton Composite Midpoint SynastryNot surprisingly for such a stellar couple, their composite chart has great geometry with many aspect patterns. The Yod accurately describes their feisty relationship to me because it is pointing at discordant Eris, (Outer planet Lilith) conjunct volatile Uranus. Minor grand trines are said to be gifts. We have Neptune’s glamour, and Mars’s sexuality, both pointing to voluptuous and fertile Ceres, all this manifesting their huge success as a Hollywood couple. This minor grand trine totally describes the magic that came out when they were on screen.

At the same time this pattern was also the cause of their addiction problems. Mars/Neptune hard aspects are commonly found in alcoholics, this is a soft aspect but Mars is getting a square from Eris which I think turns the Mars quite bitter and raging. Eris is also quincunx what may have otherwise been a benign Neptune. Neptune in aspect to Ceres is also another addictive aspect since they are both about yearning to be apart of something greater. Ceres rules herbs/opiates and Neptune alcohol. Both these drugs dissolve boundaries.

If you look at the chart, Eris is instrumental in pulling a Yod and a minor grand trine into what the Hubers call a “Model” aspect pattern. A model is the prototype made to enable us to understand the finished product at a larger scale. It is an example of the expression “As in the great, so in the small”. Richard and Liz were chosen to play out the issues of everyman’s toxic relationships for the collective. Richard and Liz have almost become a verb for describing the eternal battle of the sexes where a man and a woman meet their cosmic match and neither wants to bow down to the other.

Had they resolved their alcohol problems Neptune may have smoothed over their fiery synastry and taken it to a higher level. Mars sextile Ceres is entrancing, the raw sexuality of Mars refined by sensual Ceres. Ceres is also conjunct Jupiter also which describes their abundant, gaudy and sometimes quite vulgar display of wealth. Richard did shower Liz in outrageously expensive jewelry, the most famous being the Taylor-Burton 69 carat diamond.

Asteroid Lilith & Dark Moon

Richard BurtonIf we really want to fine tune we can go to the secondary Liliths. Contacts to Asteroid Lilith may show where there are power struggles between a couple, whether a man will accept equality in his partner or not. If there are hard aspects between them, this could mean anything from bickering about who wears the trousers to domestic violence. Harmonious aspects may show where the couple experiment, are eccentric or kinky. They may play out their equality battles in the bedroom with role playing games, for example.

With Liz and Richard we have already seen they have Asteroid Lilith in a double whammy with Black Moon Lilith which only amps up their marital battles. In their composite chart we have Asteroid Lilith conjunct Saturn. Saturn the Patriarch. Well you can’t get anymore descriptive of the bullying problem than that. Rebellious Asteroid Lilith is always going to have a problem with heavy authority of Saturn bearing down on her like that.

Contacts to Dark Moon Lilith will show each one’s demons and buried rage. Positive connections may offer an avenue where these demons can be exorcized. They could do this through channeling the angst into creative projects together, raising the energy to a higher vibration. Ego must be set aside in order to do this, and it helps if the couple has some sort of spiritual practice to implement this. Otherwise, the worst case scenario would be this manifesting as vengeful behaviour, Sadomasochism, seething rage and sexual and psychological abuse. Another way for this to be cathartic in a sexual way could be to engage in some light S&M and bondage.

Their Dark Moon square Pluto is very difficult for them, Pluto being the planet of manipulation and dark domination. Thankfully it’s not a really tight square, but with all the other stressful aspects this really doesn’t help smooth things over if you add alcohol into the equation. There is a strong possibility that this nasty square is going to slide into abuse. Liz’s Mars is conjunct Richards Dark Moon in their synastry which only aggravates his personal demons.

46 thoughts on “Taylor & Burton Synastry

  1. stunning! the art and the synastry. i especially liked seeing how Lilith and Neptune were prominent in both synastry and the composite chart, and this was such a big theme in their relationship: glamour, the screen, and alcholoism.

  2. I loved Elizabeth.
    She was a goddess… not the mythological kind – a flesh and blood one.
    I think her Moon in Scorpio says it all – a dangerous mother. An elevated Neptune allowed everyone to project their own fantasies onto her – and she paid the price. Venus conj Uranus in Aries… square Pluto… Ouch!
    Oh my, alcoholics are so charming until they are NOT!
    She was an original and I liked her for that.
    May she find her heaven.
    I thank her for her beauty … and ultimately her courage,

    1. My god so Elizabeth Taylor died because you were in her uranus.lololo and you sit there and judge alcoholics when your one drugged out looney lolol,this site is sooooo comical

    2. …but one you’re being paid to mess with. Wow, Jamie and Marina, you’re hurting the market so much, somebody just put a lunatic in their payroll! 😉

    3. Thanks KK, this one came in out of the blue. The IP address and email are banned. I’ll go back and tidy up the mess later.

      We are competing well in the market lately, mainly because the key factor in the Google search algorithm is original content. Marina and I had a skype chat with Rob today and we were talking about the great comments we get from people like yourself, great information sharing, serious debate on some sensitive issues, differences of opinions but still mature. It is important to criticize each other yet not take things too personally, that’s why science has progressed so rapidly, peer review.

      Anyway, Rob has agreed to act as a moderator on comments. You may have noticed that Marina, and especially myself have a bit of trouble keeping up with the commenting. It’s a juggling act with time management because we do have a lot of client readings and they keep us busy…and pay the bills!

    4. You’re welcome Jamie. The knife cuts both ways. It’s my pleasure to share, whatever little stuff I have with whatever time I’ve got. In so doing, things are looking great on my side of the fence! 🙂

    5. Cheers, glad you’re enjoying the ride. A way to go yet.

  3. a femme fatal, angelic, tough. My sister had inner planets, mercury 01 pisces, venus 07, sun/mars/conq @ 20/21 & 7/scorpio moon. not the driving vitality or vamp like quality of liz but devistating, beautifil 5’9″ green eyes had the appearence of a freshly laid egg, her skin so perfect, (elizabeth’s ‘imperfection’ mole on left cheek is the uranius/venus/conq in aries). My sun rose and set on my sister I was her, (first) slave, NNconq her sun/mars) she over the years made me eat the dogs antiquoalugant pills, salt mixed w/ water untill I vomited, steal money from our parents for her and threaten to tell on me if I didn’t make her bed. Then in the end, when she never found the perfect mate, her virgo son brought friends in to see a ‘dead body’, and everyone else was conscious of personal gain as she had a little fame, my heart was broken and I wept she patted my head and said, “I’m sorry lucy…”

  4. Aaah! I loved Elizabeth. Was really sad to here she had died it was on the day I arrived in Oz. I wanted to post up a bit of a tribute chart for this post. I might do that next week. Would like to see her chart Huberfied. This was written way before I got Solar Fire.

    1. Marina,
      Thank you for the opportunity to pay tribute to Elizabeth.
      Glad you are safe in OZ with Mr. Stellium!
      😮

  5. powerful female piscean Elizabeth! virgo/neptune opp sun; she sees her self in all things, wants to love all men. bare all children, Queen of the nile and all rivers. she represented the love of everyone life immortal now. The aries/venus/uranius trine leo/jupiter burns impurities too good to be true, saving humanity, loving life, joyfull infectious laugh, the 00 saturn/aquarius is also untainted, the scorpio moon square leo/jupiter prevents enrichment and ties her to the gifts from others, (men) and 1st marriage @ 18 declaration of independence from her mom

    I see my sister’s face as a little girl,Elizabeth is visiting this site!

  6. Here in Hollywood, there are people who strongly believe that Elizabeth Taylor was actually 6 years older than she claimed. I am curious, if you looked at an earlier birthdate, what differences you would find.
    For instance, she would not have been first married at 18, but at 24.

    1. Well her birthdata is rated A. I’ve been googling , but all I can come up with is this from Wiki. As a child actress she didn’t do well, she was set up to rival shirley temple, she did one film at the age of 9, which would mean she was really 14. She was fired from Universal after only that one film, for reasons unknown, the casting director at universal said:
      “Her eyes are too old, she doesn’t have the face of a child,”
      But Walker admits that “this was not so far off the mark as it may appear now.” He explains:
      There was something slightly odd about Elizabeth’s looks, even at this age – an expression that sometimes made people think she was older than she was.”

      And then:
      “Taylor herself remembers that when she was a child in England, adults used to describe her as having an “old soul,” because, as she says, “I was totally direct.”

      Now either she is just very Lilith or she really is aged 14 here. This photo is dated at 1942. She would’ve been 10!. I do think she looks older.

    2. She had a gene anomaly with two sets of eyelashes, thus the ‘mascara’ effect. It’s rare but it happens. And this moon in Scorpio she’s got – truly can nail you down with her eyes.

    3. Uhm a good example to look at would be Drew Barrymore, she’s a Piscean too. Kurk Cobain too. Depending on whether they are the extroverted or introverted type of Piscean. Yes I know that Pisces is female and therefore more introverted. What i’m getting at is where are the other planets are they in masculine signs, if so then you get a Piscean that has older world wary eyes.

      You don’t want to look into them for fear you’ll get sucked into their churning mass of loss that they carry without being aware you can see it.

    4. Sorry i meant to say if the planets are in masculine signs then you get a more extroverted Piscean compared to the more feminine heavy planet ones.

    5. Ok my uneasiness at the birthtime was that Astrodatbank have updated it since I last looked at her chart. The chart I had in Solar fire was rated B and for 2am. Now it’s 2.15am and rated A. I guess the real time came up since her death. So I have now replaced the chart I had previously i the post above.

      Now I did her chart for 6 years older and I just don’t think it fits her, though we do get a scary mars opposition to Pluto. But there is no Neptune featured aspect, and I think her life was so totally Neptunian. The new chart of 2.15am gives her Antares rising. I mean that is SO her. The heart of the Scorpion and a Royal star. This chart below has no stars of note either rising or on her MC which you would really expect from such a legend. I also like the Ceres squaring the MC/IC too in the updated chart.

      This may also make a difference to her soulmate aspects with Richard. His time was DD which is why we have a bit of a missleading score for these too. I really would expect to see them up in the 30/40’s scores.

      On the whole I trust now that she really was the age she said she was comparing these two charts.

  7. Wow, I am sorry that I missed her passing away. I just checked she died after the big tohoku earthquake. I have my lilith conjunct my mercury. Maybe that is part of why poeple say they love my voice? hmm Great post and very interesting. I will look for that in the future if I have any lilith connections with dates and what not.

  8. anti govt protests r going on in Pakistan what do u think uptil when this corrupt and worst government will survive ? Nov 2011 ? or when?
    thanx

  9. thanks! This is great material on Lilith-fascinating. I have always wanted to know more about this.

    1. Thanks Cat, more to come soon. Just finishing off Lilith synastry aspects, A’s Sun in aspect to B’s Lilith and so on.

  10. I am confused between the different liliths… can someone tell me the asteroid numbers for each?

    also,
    what can Sun Conj. Lilith mean, in a composite chart? Specifically it is in the 3rd house….

    🙂

    1. https://marinadarkstar.wpengine.com/triple-moon-goddess-lilith-astrology/
      Here’s a good introduction on all the Liliths.
      In astro.com use In “additional asteroids or “hypothetical” planets” add 1181, h13, h58. This will show asteroid Lilith, Black Moon Lilith (True/Osculating) and Dark Moon (Waldemath) Lilith in that order.

      In the composite it will mean much the same as this but describing a relationship : https://marinadarkstar.wpengine.com/sun-conjunct-lilith/

  11. I have a question..how about venus(female) conj lilith(male) in synastry???

    1. If working at a high vibration: “The Venus partner will give pure love to Lilith’s raw sexuality, refining it to the highest vibration.” From my coming book!

  12. Great article!

    My Lillith conjuncts with my partners Moon by 4 degrees (Pisces)

    What effect do you think this may have?

    Thanks

    1. It’s a little wide, but working at its best: “The Lilith partner will shake the Moon out of bad habits, inspire them to focus on their own magic and not let them get bogged down by domesticity.”

    2. That is great! I forgot to mention that her Lillith is opposite to her Moon… this makes me think that I can be a good influence on her …??

  13. I just did and I gotta say she definitely creates a tremendous magnetic energy upon me. Do you do synastry chart interpretations? If so, how much do you charge?

    1. I can imagine they can be quite laborious. I am trying to “interpret” mine with info from the internet and it seems like the more I learn, the more questions I have 😛 Though it is very interesting and usually spot on.

      Maybe I’ll get your report in a few months time.

      Thanks!

  14. Are there any books you would recommend for further reading on lilith/chiron? i so want to learn more about these two characters. it seems to me that they are somehow intertwined/connected in some way…

  15. Hi Marina
    Are these conjunctions by degree strong in synastry: man/woman: mars/lilith, vertex/north node, sun/juno, sun/ascendant
    Thanks!

    BR Eva

  16. Hi Marina

    Sorry but forgot to mention that below planets mars/lilith are sextiling by degree vertex/north node involving 5/7 + 7/8 house:

    Here is my former question repeated:

    Are these conjunctions by degree strong in synastry: man/woman: mars/lilith, vertex/north node, sun/juno, sun/ascendant
    Thanks!

    BR Eva

  17. can you help me please? In a synastry chart, one male’s lilith rx is on the woman’s ceres. His lilith rx also conjuct his saturn rx .this happens in his 5th house, which is Aries. what it can mean?
    Please answer me

  18. my black moon lilith is sesquiquadrate is pluto.
    My mean lilith is opposite his ascendant & mercury, trine his moon and venus.

  19. What does Black Lilith conjunct South Node mean?

    We also have a star of david in our composite chart… is it common or rare to have this?

  20. Great post! Thank you this very interesting info.
    What would you think about his lilith conjunct her pluto (in scorpio, tight, less than 1 degree)?
    Inversely, in natal he is very plutonian and she gas a lilith-mars-venus conjunction in aries (7th house)….
    I’d love to hear your take on this. How do lilith and pluto react to each other?

  21. Can you read the Liliths in Davison synastry chart? Thank you for your wisdom Marina. Blessings

  22. I’m trying to understand my own natal Lilith. She’s at 2 deg Virgo, conjunct my 7’09 Virgo Ascendant and 7’14 deg Virgo Saturn, so she’s on my 12th house side. She’s also square my 1’03 deg Gemini Sun and 2’53 deg Gemini Midheaven. She’s trine my Mars/Venus conjunction in Taurus. My parents’ Pluto is on the 1st deg of Virgo as well. Would this indicate that they used abuses of power over me in some way? I can say that I’m very sensitive to manipulation, especially around them, which can elicit a vitriolic rage in me. I’m going through the Pluto squaring my natal Pluto transit as well and I want to free myself up and ‘take my power back’ so to speak so I don’t feel like they are pushing my buttons. What do you think?

    1. Hi Jay, Lilith/Pluto synastry connections are very much the Persephone signature. Lilith is the lower octave of Eris and represents the kundalini. It can feel like your parents are vamping off you. With the Pluto transit that is an ideal time to understand the dynamics and how to set boundaries. I’d suggest reading Ceres & the dark triad. and I love Lisa Romano’s youtube channel.

  23. Interesting too see Burton and Taylor from the pre-Bradgelina period being analyzed.

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