Moon Square/Opposite Lilith ~ Bad Romance

Moon square or opposite Lilith is one of the most challenging Black Moon Lilith aspect you can have, but it is ultimately one of the most powerful. The subject will go through life facing constant intense triangular relationships that will either make or break them. They may be asked to choose between mother and spouse, child and lover or family and spiritual path. Exceptional demands may be made of them to make heartbreaking decisions, which in the end may exile them from their family. They need to learn that they can’t please everyone and own their Lilith sovereignty.

With Moon/Lilith hard aspects, the native will always end up hurting someone. Therefore they might as well pick the solution that makes their own soul the happiest. Sometimes these folk will break under the pressure of this aspect and succumb to the temptation of Lilith’s forbidden fruit in the shape of sex addiction or drugs. If they manage to come through then they become a fantastic example of the Phoenix rising from the flames. The valuable life lessons they have learnt from their traumas become an inspiration to those still caught up in the darkness.

Moon square or opposite Lilith can work really well if the balance between the mother and anti-mother is worked out. There is a degree of virgin mother V whore here. With the opposition the subject swings between wanting to mother, or be mothered and then abruptly breaking away from family ties. The same ambivalence can be found with their views on sexuality.

Triangular Relationships

Sex and libido can be a big issue, sometimes veering from nymphomania to celibacy over night. The control of sex is really the key. The subject needs to be their own authority on how they display their sexuality, very private or very public as long as it’s their call. If Moon opposite Lilith is not in control of their own sexuality they may need to be in utter control of somebody else’s. A career as a pimp or madame would suit.

Because the Moon and the Black Moon are such polar opposites, in the opposition they could actually end up cancelling each other out. A successful balance of these two would mean that the domestic moon can restrain Lilith from going too far off the rails and wild Lilith could break some of the moons stagnating habits. The bad side of this aspect could be projecting the attraction for the forbidden fruit onto partners by falling for addicts.

One could be playing either side of this opposition, the loving supportive moon or the vampiric Lilith who bleeds their partner dry to feed their addiction. On the plus side this is potentially a greatly creative aspect with the dynamism of the opposition creating a magnetic energy. This is more subtle than the magic wand of the Sun opposite Lilith, it is more like an invisible undercurrent of intuition and animal instinct running through the subject.

Moon/Lilith ~ Hard Aspects

Moon Square Lilith

Noel Coward was an English playwright, director, actor, composer and singer. He was known for his “for his wit, flamboyance, and what Time magazine called “a sense of personal style, a combination of cheek and chic, pose and poise”. ~ Wiki  Coward’s ambitious and pushy stage mother sent him to a dance academy and from his very poor upbringings he found himself rubbing shoulders with the theatrical elites of the time. It seems Coward rose up through high society swiftly, possibly due to him being the pretty young plaything and protogee of Philip Streatfeild a society painter. But the charming and witty Coward had real talent and soon became famous for his brilliant comedies.

Moon opposite LilithMany of the themes of his writing focused on the decadance of the upper classes. “The Vortex was considered shocking in its day for its depiction of sexual vanity and drug abuse among the upper classes. Its notoriety and fiery performances attracted large audiences.” Coward was a closet homosexual due to the mores of the time, though within the theatre world it was probably known and accepted.

“Coward met Jack Wilson, an American stockbroker…, who became his business manager and lover. Wilson used his position to steal from Coward, but the playwright was in love and accepted both the larceny and Wilson’s heavy drinking.” This aspect’s tendency to fall for the ‘bad boys’ is seen quite clearly here! Coward who had a flamboyant and distinctive personal style is also regarded as one of the greatest playwrights of all time.

Also: John ‘Paradise lost’ Milton, Noel Coward, H.G Wells, Padre Pio, Thomas More, Serge Rachmaninoff,Olivia Newton-John, Dolly Parton, Frank Sinatra, Mariah Carey, David Essex, Giorgio Moroder, Sylvester, Pete Burns, Dustin Hoffman, Ewan McGregor, Michael J Fox, Ivana Trump, Paris Hilton, Emperor Akihito, Gustav Eiffel, Peter Paul Rubens, Planet Neptune.

Moon Opposite Lilith

Annie Sprinkle turned the big Mummy ‘madame’ and the whore into a career. She has been a prostitute, stripper, porn star, TV host, sex magazine editor and porno film producer. Sprinkle has made herself an authority in sex education, gaining a degree in human sexuality. As a performance artist, Sprinkle’s best-known show was called “Pubic Cervix announcement”. No boundaries here as she allowed her audience to supposedly “celebrate the female body” by viewing her very own cervix with a speculum and torch! Sprinkle also performed a masturbation show on stage also.

Also: USA chart, John Dee, Harold ‘Dr Death’ Shipman, Prince William,   Aristotle Onassis, Lady Gaga, Lennon/Ono Davison, Yoko Ono, Nelly Furtardo, Maria Callas,  Eric Burdon, Natalie Cole, George Clooney, Jack Karouac, Keanu Reeves, Joan Rivers, Rowan Atkinson, Jennifer Jason-Leigh, Bruce Lee.

More Moon/Lilith Aspects

Moon conjunct/quincunx Lilith Moon sextile/trine-Lilith • Moon square/opposite Lilith

28 thoughts on “Moon Square/Opposite Lilith ~ Bad Romance

  1. I’ve been waiting for this for a while, you did a good job on this one Marina, very enlightening. As you know this is the tightest aspect in my chart at just 5 arc minutes. I don’t have big boobs but can be scary looking when you don’t touch up my profile pic. Everything you said rings true. The effects really came out strong when Pluto was square my Moon, and when Saturn was conjunct it. Both times resulted in relationship breakups, very dramatic and traumatic and involving the intake of much forbidden fruit.

    1. demonic brat?? ahh :/
      i admit i can be a brat but cant there be a balance between the good and the.evilish??
      im soo interested in thi aspect. is there any where else i can get more information about it on thos siye or others?
      what sides do you see in yourself? demonic or innocent child? or both?

  2. Marina this is spot on. I have a very tight square between Mean Lillith at 19 Libra in the 12th and the Moon at 19 Cancer in the 9th. “Heartbreaking decisions”, “exile from the family” (albeit self-induced), “constant, intense triangular relationships”, “the Phoenix rising from the flames”. My professional name is actually Pete Phoenix.
    It takes a lot to get me intrigued but you’ve done it. Thank you and well done!

    1. Thanks for the great feedback guys! It was a hard one to do because it’s so close to me. It was simmering on my desktop for quite a while. As I said on Facebook I obviously am attracted to this aspect as so many of my heros are on this list Rufus Wainwright, Al Pacino, Osho… Rufus even did a tribute to Judy Garland, so it’s all connected in Lilith land.
      Pete, I love that your professional name is Phoenix, it should prove lucky for you then.
      Jamie you have True Lilith opposite Neptune and I have Lilith square Neptune, so its a good job we met after we decided to use our Neptune’s more spiritually and less forbidden fruitily 😉

  3. Thanks for this Marina

    I have no wiggle room, I have Moon square Lilith… and more that a few other squares with my moon.

    Moon 11 33′ 27″ Libra

    Mean Apogee 11 33′ 44′ Capricorn

    Conjunct my Mean Apogee I also have Juno, and Atlantis at 11 Capricorn, Mercury Venus and MC at 12 Capricorn all of which are square my Moon.

    I can definately confirm the heartbreaking decisions. I have had to become estranged from such an abusive relative that I still need to use caution posting anything on the internet about the details. I made this decision knowing that the cause and effect would likely lead to an estrangement from that entire side of the family and that is what ocurred.

    As my Moon is inconjunct Chiron (15 41′ Pisces) and Inconjunct Jupiter (16 21′ Taurus) the two are in a sextile and I wonder if I do not also have a Yod pointing back at my Moon.

    With this Moon Square Lilith I have found that if I try to ignore or stifle my dark/magic/mystery side I always end up getting a cosmic ass kicking (best to embrace it). With everything square my moon, I can not avoid dealing with my emotions, the only way out is through for me.

    Although a very good astrologer opined that my Grand Trine in Earth would make me lazy, I rather think that Grand Trine (Jupiter in Taurus, Uranus conj Pluto in Virgo, Venus and Mercury at 12 Capricorn) is what saved my sanity. This life for me has been one dark night of the soul after another with a few moments of rest inbetween. I keep thinking I am done and another wave comes. It is only a deep connectedness to the Earth that keeps me going during these times.

    As usual this is an excellent post Marina.

    Thanks

    Kjerstin

  4. An additional Note:

    If I wanted to use Cupido at 15 56′ 28″ Libra that would indeed make a Yod I think… (I am still learning to understand Yods, that is Jamies department I am sure)

    Since one person is never about only one aspect in their chart I include some of the other pertinent details.

    The lifelong patterning of difficult and heart wrenching decisions is definately there. I doubt Marina that you need any examples though if you wish it I could privately email you on some of them. I appreciate this article, reviewing the difficult decisions I see now that there was a triangulrity every time. This is a very valuable insight and I thank you for that.
    Much Love and Thanks
    …Kjerstin

  5. This sounds true for me as an Aquarius Moon square 4th house Taurus Lilith. I may come across as the sweetest Pisces girl. People have often told me “I’m too kind” least before this Moon/Lilith square comes out leaving them completely baffled and shocked…though I also have Moon opposite Saturn square Uranus. Having Uranus in the 10th opposite Lilith in 4th, both square an Aquarius Moon in the 1st is one extremely rough ride! Anyways, thanks for the helpful article, it was appreciated!

  6. Hi, I’m really happy I found this site. I just started learning about lilith. In my chart true lilith is conjunct pluto in the first house, it’s hard for me to separate out the lilith/pluto stuff from each other. Pluto conjunct lilith is opposite my sun forming the spine of a kite formation (grand fire trine) at the same time making a t-square to my moon. It is true for me that I have had to make choices throughout my life that have separated me from loved ones, although painful these decisions were not difficult…more like jumping out of a burning building…what real choice is there?

  7. I will definitely wait to see this come out. Mine is a tight 1′ square & am not even regretful to lose the people (dose of Pluto & saturn to my relationships as well).
    Thanks.

  8. What sort of sovereignty does this aspect offer? like specifically? maybe some people with examples or something…

  9. I really understand what is write here. I have a tight moon square true lilith but also a mars square true lilith (moon and mars are in a tight opposition). Plus mars is conjunct the ascendant, the moon is conjunct the descendant and lilith is on the cupside of the 4th… (So it’s a T-square).
    Do you have some enlightments about mars square lilith? i don’t understand it.
    And on this T-square?

  10. Oh! I can relate with this very much. I´ve lived all that it has been written my whole life.

    Triangles, leaving others -and not looking back what-so-ever… just to be obssesive with it, but not to really re-live what I did not want- and may I wish myself to come like a phenix (which is also strongly aspected regarding stars…).

    I was also studying Persephone and Proserpina… and may relate to all said. I thought it was innocence, but no! it was this nept. opp to sun and venus. How confusing things may get!

    For this week, Marina, you said we should let go and let God and IS my case!

    Thanks, as always!

    R.

  11. My son, who is playing with fire (Sacred Plant on three presentations) has this square. His Lillith is on the 2nd H.in aries (I´m a 3rd. Dec. Aries). And his moon is on the 6th H. in cáncer.

    Is funny and I just can´t figure out why he has a NN 10th H. conj. Antares (where my moon is). So! Of course I´m trying to show him some ways out of the maybe dangers he could face.

    And I sure understand that he might be willing just to walk away from us, pursuing his NN. He always says that he lives here because he has not other option (c´mmon! you do, I say inside me though he seems so very in his confort zone over here… lol!).

    I´m sure he´ll find his way (bright and inteligent, hard working also; a Virgo)… but if he´s to get into substances, he may not count on me. What I´m sure trying to do is to pave for him a way he might understand him self better (or so I hope! It is what I would do for myself, anyway. I would never know if *right* or *wrong*. At least, I do care!).

    What I have told him is that he has 3 or 4 years to live the house and to live on his own. One, to start college. Two to get used to university environment and to start working and three to get a scholarship or a work. Once he has one of the two, he might walk away from us. To let him have some instruments.

    I kind of *know* that I might do some savings in order to allow him live his dying-flaming-phonix thing when the time comes (so, I´m trying to work hard).

    I´ve seen around -and Reading Jamie´s posts- that forbidden fruit is… forbidden. And that we should not play with it (because is not a toy… and harm is OMG!).

    Keep observing!

    R.

    I hope I´m loving… because I´m tough (rude arian 3rd dec. with plenty of unmanagable waters, lol). I accept his criticism the best way I can… Mhhh!

  12. This describes me perfectly. I appear soft and childish, do my very best to appear girlish and fragile but in reality I’m quite aggressive and posses many masculine traits despite my feminine appearance. I don’t want to be a man, but I want to dominate men like a 1950’s greaser lol.

  13. BML is transiting square my Moon, exact the day after my birthday this Saturday, so its part of my Solar Return 😛 Saturn is also transiting opposite my Moon, exact next month, not happy 🙁 Thank goodness Jupiter is transiting my Ascendant.

  14. In January my son got his wife of 5 years pregnant. They had been planning on starting a family. Within a month he started an online sexual affair with a woman 1700 miles away. His wife found out and even found out the name of the woman. She is Goth short highly sexualized woman, who told his wife that she was coming to live in their new house, so just leave quietly.

    She was born May 15, 1988 at 9:50 pm PDT in LACA, She’s married and has a 7 yr old son. She will either rip their son from his father to bring him here, or leave the son behind, and take my son from his wife and new baby due in September. She looks and acts absolutely evil, all in black with tats and heavy make-up, confronting my poor daughter-in-law on the phone, who has been blind-sided by this affair.

    Her chart is a DISASTER with Moon 29 Taurus at Hi-Dec at 24N T-square Mars at 26 Aqu and BML at 00 Virgo. She has Venus con Chiron opp Uranus conj Saturn 7th house to 1st house. She is one very scary, witch-like gal, and she is wrecking two homes and I don’t want any part of my son and his coming life with her. I am heart sick for my son’s wife who feels like she woke up in a nightmare while pregnant.

    I bumped into this description of Moon SQ BML tonight on FB and thought this description sounds just like my son’s new nightmare of a GF. I cannot believe this is happening to us.

  15. “…On the outside they may have the countenance of a naive child while on the inside lurks a demonic brat or it can be completely the other way round…”

    Does it have to be either or? I feel I can be/have both the naive child and demonic brat…fluctuations in expression are possible?

  16. “On the outside they may have the countenance of a naive child while on the inside lurks a demonic brat or it can be completely the other way round.”

    — Describe my childhood. kk

  17. Here a Sun Aries/Leo rising’s astrological share.
    Actually I am living the return of my natal Lilith in Scorpio – which is transiting my 4th house in my chart. Some realizations I had recently had are here all explain innthat partixular aspect of my life. Sexuality, choici between lover or spiritual path and family, the way I physically look… :’-“)
    Damn ! I red this article and now I am self-actualizing myself in awes. Yes this is me and this is explaining my whole life.
    – New born Lilith

  18. I screwed up, big time.

    Married a Thai woman, who was working as a bar girl. She was a Scorpio Sun conjunct Mars conjunct Venus, had been living with a self-made millionaire with whom she had three kids.

    He threw her out and she chose to go into the bar girl game.

    She was drop-dead gorgeous and, thinking below the waist, I fell for her hook line and sinker.

    All the time I was in UK and she was in Thailand, she would hardly communicate with me, and I later found out that she’d been living with her best female friend and her husband in a menage-a-trois all the time.

    She extracted a lot of money from me and made me lose my home, my job and my car.

    Her favourite movies were the Fifty Shades Of Greys.

    Yes, I’m a sucker and a buffoon and maybe the purpose of all this is to serve as a warning to others… so here I am.

    These Moon opposite Lillith women are the most manipulative, nymphomaniac people on the planet. You would not believe the power they wield with those eyes…

  19. Oh, dear, this is so true! Fellow astrofriends, please, help me with some advice!!! I am desperate! typing this in the middle of the night, it’s almost dawn… I have the moon and BML in square AND THIS IS INSANELY TRUE!!! My Moon is in 1st House in Pisces, 29 degree ( there’s also some fixed star, very negative, they say ) and Lilith in Sag 28 degree. I really have this situation that if I set myself free from my mother who needs me, I will prosper, move out of this small town etc. This is suffocating and really so hard to bear, people who don’t understand me, think of me as of a freak or a weirdo, even my close(r) friends cannot deal with my… depth, idk how to call it. I am Aries- Aquarius, 27 yo but i don’t know how to somehow activate this Lilith, do something, this is killing me inside and I know what I should do but I just don’t have any strength… please reply here or on Twitter @nikolahashtag
    Thank you, love from Serbia

  20. I have Moon Opposite Lilith in my Natal Chart, and in the midpoint composite chart for my boyfriend and I the Moon is Square to Lilith. My Sun is Pisces(16 degrees), Moon is Aquarius(22 d), and Lilith is in Leo(28 d). My Lilith-Moon opposition is T-Squared by my Ascendant in Scorpio(26 d). (My boyfriend’s Taurus Venus is so soothing for my T-Square!) The opposition is at a wide degree which I feel makes it easier to handle. Growing up my mom always had very strong Lilith energy which I would always try to balance out by being motherly to the rest of the family. Every family member would reject my mothering, involving name-calling. When I hit puberty at 13 I became sexually active immediately, lost my virginity to my very first boyfriend within 2 months of dating. When I met my second boyfriend I seesawed back to my Moon energy (his Venus exact Conjunct my Moon) and I was a very feminine, traditional partner to him for 2 1/2 years. Our breakup was life changing for me. From ages 15 to 19 I went overboard with Lilith tendencies, having numerous sexual encounters including BDSM, much older men, sugar daddies, and making amateur pornography. At that time I was convinced I would never have children, and I was obsessed with my power over men. Perfectly nice guys who didn’t do anything wrong, I would lure them in with my eyes just to shatter their hearts. The emotional needs of my moon were being falsely fulfilled by the sense of power I got from using my Lilith, but really it was just hurting my moon more. I have recently experienced rejection from my Aquarius Sun(8 d) mother, who ‘divorced’ her kids as soon as the youngest was 18, but that did coincide with Neptune entering my 4th house so I feel that’s part of what triggered it. At first I tried again to balance out her wild, freedom-loving, sexual Lilith energy and actions by being motherly to my siblings and trying to motivate them to stay in school, graduate, and get jobs. Then I had an epiphany that I need to worry about myself and live my own adult life, and I was nearing a more balanced place with my Moon and Lilith energy. Then I got my first apartment living on my own, and that was a funny thing because my Moon was ready to get domestic and my Lilith was loving the freedom to invite anyone over whenever I wanted for any reason. Now, present day, I have found it necessary to cut my mom off completely because she has been selfish and intolerable, just completely toxic. More time away from my mom has allowed me to better balance myself because the need to be one or the other that was instilled as a child is fading. Also now with my Boyfriend easing the tension of my T-Square with his Venus, it is much easier to balance those energies. He and I live together, and my motherly, feminine, domestic moon takes great care of him and the house, while my Lilith (and Aquarius lol) energy is satisfied with a frequent and ever-changing sexual life. I even consider having kids of my own now, where I would never allow myself to think it before.

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