*Dark Moon Lilith is one of the three Lilith archetypes. It is not the apogee or the asteroid, but a dust cloud. Out of all the Liliths, the Dark Moon Lilith is the hardest to define. This Moon is also known as Waldemath’s Moon or Sepherial’s Moon. This is the place in our psyche where our primal, impersonal instincts lie.
Dark Moon Lilith is also the home of our darkest demons, the ones that desperately need to be channeled creatively, otherwise there is great danger that these gremlins can turn self destructive or destructive to others. It is very apt that this Lilith is often referred to as the “Ghost Moon”, the darkness inside ourselves where we constantly feel haunted by something we can’t quite put our finger on.
“Some say there is a second moon circling the earth- a mysterious, dark moon, seen only rarely when the sky is dark and it is either in opposition to or crossing the suns face. It has a dusky presence that absorbs light rather than reflecting it…Observations by astronomers were recorded as long ago as 1618.” – Kelley Hunter, Living Lilith, 2009
This energy does not do well being used for selfish desire. It needs to be purged via some artistic product, which can then be released out into the collective. Its dark absorbing nature lends it to attracting the negative projections of human emotions. If we shed light on these outside of our skin it could be a way of cleansing wounds suffered by all humanity. These wounds are said to encircle the earth’s vibrational energy field like a black smog. We see expressions of Lilith in Fairytales. Witches, owls, sprites, magicians, dragons and all manner of mysterious creatures appeal very much to children and adults who are still in touch with this primal, mythical world. The rise to fame of Harry Potter is very much a Dark Moon phenomena. How this relates to Lilith herself would be the time when she was in exile where she took the form of an owl. It was here she gets the reputation as the baby killer. It was Lilith taking revenge for her own children being taken away from her that provoked her into destroying others babies. I see the “babies” also being metaphors for creativity in general, our artistic products.
Dark Moon Lilith & Childhood
“Rather than withering away in exile, the Lilith shadow grows and flourishes in the same way that she was prolific in breeding demonic offspring on the shores of the Red Sea. When this aspect of Lilith’s shadow is active in our lives, our psyche becomes overwhelmed with images of revenge and retaliation. When the shadow inevitably erupts and violently breaks through our boundaries of constraint, she unleashes the terror of her vengeance.”
Demetra George. Mysteries of the Dark Moon 1992
The other connection with children is the word Lullaby. “The name is from Assyrian lay’la, Hebrew Lil (night) which already in Accadian meant sorcery. It probably personified the darkness that soothed children to slumber; and the word Lullaby has been derived from Lilith Abi. ” Grace Ellery Williams
So Lullabys were originally sung to protect children from the threat of Lilith taking them while they slept! I found this quote on a religious website blaming SIDs on Lilith.
“The word “lullaby” is thought to derive from an incantation designed to repel her……Take precaution by cleaning out your homes and your baby’s room of those abominable things (night lamps made like an owl, elves, smurfs, faries, etc. Toys can carry many evil powers, and which have been dedicated to a false god).” demonbuster.com
I think the Dark Moon definitely has a Sado/Masochistic tone to it, this would be emphasized with any aspects to Pluto of course, making it dangerously so. Self destructiveness through the use of drugs is a great temptation. Like the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden. With the Dark Moon however, if one uses it’s energy creatively and with care. The drugs can be used in a shamanic way, to unlock the demons festering in the collective consciousness. The use of Psychedelic’s in the 60′s inspired the explosion of music and art that came out of that period springs to mind as a good example. But it should not become a habit and that’s where the dangers with this Dark moon lie.
*Excerpt from forthcoming book. Lilith – Three Shades Of Darkness, where I also look at Dark Moon Lilith in the charts of Johnny Depp, Tim Burton, Lewis Carroll and Lord Byron.
Finding the Dark Moon in Your Chart
Create your chart HERE
Choose “Extended Chart Selection“
In “hypothetical” planets” select h58. This will show up as Waldemath Moon which is the Dark Moon
Dark Goddess > Dark Moon Lilith
I may have already said this, but I heart Johnny Depp. He’s one of my few favorite celebrities!
lullaby (do note the correct spelling). is not as you and your sources claim from
“The other connection with children is the word Lulaby. “The name is from Assyrian lay’la, Hebrew Lil (night) which already in Accadian meant sorcery. It probably personified the darkness that soothed children to slumber; and the word Lullaby has been derived from Lilith Abi. ” Grace Ellery Williams
“So Lulabys were originally sung to protect children from the threat of Lilith taking your child in her sleep! I found this quote on a religious website blaming SIDs on Lilith.
Lullaby.
““The word “lullaby” is thought to derive from an incantation designed to repel her. Beloved, we know the use of these things are not God’s way of dealing with demons. But we are adding this paragraph to show you the areas in which Deliverance needs to be done and for you to stop singing a lullaby to your children that could allow curses to be placed upon you and them…..Take precaution by cleaning out your homes and your baby’s room of those abominable things (night lamps made like an owl, elves, smurfs, faries, etc. Toys can carry many evil powers, and which have been dedicated to a false god).” demonbuster.com
[WHATEVER !!]
So going back to the original myth…”
Lullaby derives from the ME lullen, clearly echic, cf. G lullen, D lullen, lollen, to hum a tune to, to lull, MD lollen to mumble, or mutter, to doze. Latin lallare to sing to sleep (perh for la-la, comforting sounds + -are) and Skt lolati, he moves to and fro, lulita, swinging.
Lullaby perh to lull a child to sleep +a+b’y for baby, but perh = lull + a comforting dissyllable.
2. ME lullen has a var lollen, esp in sense ‘to hang loosely, to droop’, whence ‘to loll’. MD lollen, to mumble, has agent lollaerd, a mumbler, esp as pejorative Lollaerd, a mumbler of prayer and psalms.
There is no connection to the Babylonian demon ‘lilith’. Except if you mythologically wish to build a word associative fantasy and go forward bravely from there to Lilliputian lilies as evidenced in the charts of those born on Tuesdays, with any planet, fixed star or bit of interplanetary trash (real or imagined) in Libra (‘L’), or anywhere else as ‘celestial’ contains two ‘l’s’ and one ‘t’ and an ‘i’ just like ‘lilith’.
Interesting to see someone using the signs as if they were significant, meaningful and highly charged with information. I like the folklorish, old-fashioned, quaint naivite` of that sort of fiction. And to combine that with a non-existent ‘black moon’ is surely a sign of great powers of imagination and fantasy.
well, love and money go together like a horse and carriage and leave in their wake much fertilizing substance…
Yes, you have given me trichotillomania.
I don’t care if those definitions and derivatives of Lilith are correct or not. I’m interested as why there is this perception. I put my observations down and weave a story around it. Myths and story’s have values. Stories that stick around must hit nerves in our psyche or they wouldn’t persist. Was Jesus an astronaut? I don’t care to prove wether he was or not. But I’m interested in why people WANT him to be.
Thats is a pretty good definition of Dark Moon Lilith there Lorenzo.
I’m sorry about the hair loss. A Regulus without a mane just won’t do!
Johnny Depp has a fantastic Lilith profile all round. Not just the Dark Moon. I quite liked him recently as the Mad Hatter.
Its interesting his relationship with Tim Burton AND Helena-Bohnam Carter. I’m sure she must be quite a Lilith lady herself.
I love you bringing to light lewis carroll being a closeted homosexual. I think you’re right. Of course, who knows… but feeling it, reading his books and his biography and seeing his photography of children I get the feeling that he was really in love with and enchanted by the innocence/otherworldliness of kids. Michael Jackson, care to go there?
I’m glad you get that feeling too. I don’t know abut Michael Jackson, but yes I think that could be the case also.
On June 2 I broke up with him…Lunar eclipse shall be in my fourth house in conjuct with my both natal and transiting node…Hope I shall not wish to destructive…
what would be the max orb for a Dark Moon Lilith conjunction? I have Sun in 22 d Pisces, and Dark Moon in 27 d Pisces. Is that still a conjunction?
Hmmm, bit wide to me. Black Moon Lilith I give 2.30 degs normally, with a luminary I’ll stretch to 3 degs.
With the lesser Liliths, (like the Dark Moon) and Asteroids I like them to be partile, same degree. It keeps things simple, otherwise you can get caught up an asteroid soup and miss the important stuff.
ok, thank you.
i just looked up my dark moon at astrodienst; oh lord, i think i got a problem. glad i’m finding it out later than sooner – heh. regular moon at 29deg27 Aries; dark moon 27deg55 Libra. pls comment; and ty for ur time. just found ur site a few days ago and interestingly, today i was googling vesta; the site also had some lilith info; then there was a link to you : ) so i’m back here again. seems i need to be for some reason…..hmmm
Yes that’s close, as always its hard to comment without seeing the whole chart. But it might work something like this: http://darkstarastrology.com/moon-conjunct-lilith/
But just bear in mind this Moon has more of the hurt, vengeful side because it corresponds to the part of the Lilith myth when she was exiled. Two Moons makes it somewhat to do with mother, or lack of as you will see in the link.
wonder if they are talking about waldemath moon here…
http://gawker.com/5869869/astronomers-say-the-earth-has-another-moon
What do you think about the Dark Moon conj de Moon(PARTILE) in a masculine chart?Thanks!!!
Do you have any comments on
1.my dark moon Lilith conjunct my sun (in capricorn)
2.,my friend’s dark moon Lilith conjunct his natal ascendant/north node conjuction (aquarius) which also conjuncts my natal mercury jupiter conjunction!?
For what it’s worth, She has followed me around, found me , and won’t go away. I do not have any children.
Blessings
I have always used the two Black Moons in charts and my Uranus, POF, and Juno are sandwiched between the two in the 5th. Needless to say, I am a bit unconventional. But, now I looked up my Dark Moon and found it exactly conjunct my DSC, which kind of scares me. Could you please comment and help me understand?
Dark Moon on the DC I think is an attraction to Edward Scissorhands
…. But seriously it does have a very Byronesque feel about it, also yes it can be “Bad boys” too. My sister has the Black Moon conjunct her DC and she did go through a phase as a teen of going out with very, VERY grubby chaps. She kissed a lot of toads before she found her prince!
Yes, in the teen years, we were all punk rockers (hee hee).
My husband was a bad boy, but that ended after 10 years. But lately the past two men in the last 12 years were unattainable in the end and that has been the theme ……. just a relationship that goes on and on without any sort of true commitment. Arrogant men. Still looking for my prince at forty years old…..
Thank you!!
My sister got married at 40 to lovely guy 10 years younger! Get yourself a toyboy. Modern men, less arrogant. (One hopes….)
Hi I looked up Lilith in Dementia George pg 189 where she associates with Toro. before elevating to mars pluto. Here’s my story around Toro awhile back. It’s 16 Leo conj.Jupiter 18, 4th. I’m walking along a weeded country road @ meadow and in the distance see a Bull (I am tauras)Abruptly do a aboutface, reach a pup tent and crawl in. Bull comes with horns under tent butting me about. Of course I’m freakin out but then suddenly a mysterious door opens and I escape. Fun and games. Power…