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The Three Lilith Points

Black Moon Lilith

There are three versions of Lilith you can place in your chart. We have Black Moon Lilith, Asteroid Lilith and the lesser known Dark Moon Lilith. I used to see them together as the Triple Moon Goddess and thought it made sense to use them in that way. I then found out that Demetra George had come up with a similar concept about Lilith, so I thought we might be onto something. Comparing the three Liliths to the bible story she says:

“The Asteroid Lilith describes the first stage in the mythical journey where she is suppressed, humiliated and flees in a fiery rage to the desolate wilderness. The Dark Moon Lilith depicts the pain of her exile where she plots and executes revenge. The Black Moon Lilith shows how she transmutes her distorted image back into its natural healthy expression” [1]

UPDATE 2016! I now believe that splitting the energy of Lilith into three separate parts dilutes its meaning and confuses matters more than it clarifies. I keep this post up just so people understand the difference between the three of them. The lunar apogee version, the Black Moon Lilith has always been my primary Lilith, but I no longer use the mean version in my research or readings now. I have discovered that only the True Lilith version has significance astronomically. After more research, I have found that the astrology seems to support that too. You can read about why I came to that conclusion in my “Are We Moon Food” post.

I would say however, that Asteroid Lilith does seem to have a lot to do with 3rd wave, neo-Feminism and will revisit that post at a later date. Like all asteroids, Asteroid Lilith is more interesting as a tool of divination and synchronicity rather than anything classically astrological. My studies of Eris and Ceres have shown these bodies have far more cosmic meat than a hypothetical body or point. Eris and Ceres are both now classed as dwarf planets, putting them on the same level as Pluto. Anyone who has gone through a significant Pluto transit knows that it is anything but ‘dwarf’.

Asteroid Lilith

asteroid-lilith-glyph(1181 on astro.com.) The only solid representation of Lilith found in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter

ORBIT. Takes 4 years to orbit the Sun. Discovered in 1927. Diameter of 67km.

KEY WORDS. Rebellion, feminist, prostitution, exile, freedom fighter, confrontational, equality, impulsive, innovative, unconventional, asexual, instinctual, hands-on healing.

Asteroid Lilith is hands-on with her energy as represented by her hand-like glyph. Earthy and practical, she reflects the part of the creation myth where she protests to God about having the “lay beneath” Adam and not being treated as his equal.

Asteroid Lilith is like URANUS/ERIS. Uranus having been castrated makes him asexual, he is often sited as being the “gay” planet which is suggestive of alternative lifestyles. Asteroid Lilith is also the eternal child, a Peter-pan since the lack of a traditional sexuality restricts the act of having children naturally.

Asteroid Lilith Feature.

black moon lilithBlack Moon Lilith

black-moon-lilith-glyphThis is the Lilith most in general use. Comprises True Osculating Lilith (h13 on astro.com.)  & Mean Lilith ( from their regular drop down menu.)

ORBIT. It has a 9 year orbit. The mean version spends 9 months in each sign. The true version fluctuates wildly.

KEY WORDS. Priestess V prostitute, magic v sorcery, forbidden fruit, angels v demons, animal magnetism, kundalini, tantric sex, seduction, the supernatural, intuition, psychic ability, psychic healing, hypnotism, charisma, altered states, glamour, shamanism, psychedelic drugs, addiction, obsession.

This is not a solid object, it is a point of alignment. The Black Moon is the apogee of the Moons orbit, the point that is farthest from the earth. Just as there is a Lunar mean and true Node, so there is a Mean and True (osculating) Lilith.

Black Moon Lilith orbitBlack Moon Lilith is like NEPTUNE/ERIS. This part of the Lilith myth corresponds to the forbidden fruit episode, where Lilith comes back as a serpent. The serpent represents occult knowledge, while the apple representing sex or enthogens. Neptune is very much like a psychic sponge. The zone has shamanic qualities, a similar effect to using drugs to break down the barriers to the unconscious. Like deceptive Neptune when drugged, this zone can let in the demons as well as messages from the spirits.

Black Moon Lilith feature.

Dark Moon Lilith

waldemath-moon-glyphAlso known as the Waldemath Moon or Sepharial’s Moon. (h58 on astro.com.) Sighting of this mysterious 2nd Moon goes back as far as 1618. it is supposed to resemble a sphere shaped dust cloud. In 1918, Astrologer Sepharial claimed to have confirmed the existence of Waldemath’s ‘ghost moon’.

ORBIT. It flies through the chart, like a witch on it’s broomstick taking 119 days to travel round the earth spending 10 days in one sign.

KEY WORDS. Vengeance, Sadomasochism, Demons, The Shadow, Rage, Anti-mother, Fairytales, Nightmares, Ghosts, Nymphomania, Gremlins, Psycho, Toxins, Depth psychology, Stalkers, emotional pain, Catharsis, Madness.

The Dark Moon is the hurt, nasty side of Lilith, and very much like Algol the notorious Fixed star. It can be channeled beneficially if used without ego to release negativity through creativity or art therapy. It is the part of the Lilith myth where in exile she turned baby killer out of revenge to god. “Dark Moon relates to highly individualized soul desires that are denied personal satisfaction for higher expression on social/spiritual levels.” ~ Kelley Hunter.

Dark Moon Lilith is like PLUTO/ERIS. The shadow and demons are very much part of Pluto’s underworld, generally he is thought to have raped and abducted Persephone (Eris), but in other versions Persephone goes willingly. Dark Moon then can work two ways like the myth, we either face our Demons and release them safely or we bury them. If they are allowed to fester they become enraged, then we risk them breaking out and psychically “raping” us.

Dark Moon Lilith Feature.

The 3 Liliths In Your Horoscope

Create your chart HERE. It will take you to a page that shows says free Horoscopes at Astrodienst.
Scroll down to right at the very bottom and click on “Extended Chart Selection
In “Additional objects“, select “Lilith”. This is Black Moon Lilith (Mean)
In the box for “additional asteroids or “hypothetical” planets” add 1181, h13, h58. This will show asteroid Lilith, Black Moon Lilith (True/Osculating) and Dark Moon Lilith in that order.

1. Finding our Way through the Dark. Demetra George. pg 92.


  1. True (oscillating) Lilith at 22 Virgo, Mean Lilith at 27 Virgo, so that’s quite a tight black hole! Asteroid Lilith at 12 Virgo opposite Jupiter/Chiron in Pisces – hence the reiki – I do get very hot hands when I channel reiki. Virgo doesn’t seem to be quite the right energy for Lilith – a bit of a fastidious prison, I think. She feels hemmed in, kept “proper”. Which she does not like. I do get a strong sense sometimes of ferocious “stuff” bursting to get out. And being scared to let it out. When I do feel that, I paint, and on one occasion produced a picture of someone I now see is Lilith, not realised that before. I thought she was me. Full of red and black. Mean Lilith is in the 6th, the others just still in the 5th. I do get intuitive flashes.

    And I do encounter people – always women, often wearing black – who download tough stuff to me. I’ve often likened it to soaking up filthy water. It happened to me a few weeks ago and I found myself describing it like a black wave hitting me.

    Dark moon Lilith – Waldemath – is in Taurus, in the 12th, 2 degrees from Mars. And yes, there’s a temper! Not many have seen it, and I’d prefer to keep it that way. I’ve never consciously felt vengeful against others, my temper seems always to be directed inwards, at myself.

    Astrologer and medium Tom Jacobs (website tdjacobs.com) does a wonderful True Black Moon Lilith natal report – I’m still reading mine months later and finding new stuff in it.

    • Oh yes I count 5 degs and under as a “Black Hole” corridor. After I wrote this I went through all my friends and there was a definite pattern. It seemed the very extremist obsessive Lilithy people had them either very tight or very wide (Over 17 degs)

      Great info about your Asteroid Lilith with Chiron, shows it must be a very “hands-on” healing, hands-as-wands type energy.

      I think the Dark Moon is very inward projecting rage, simmering. It could be like you said about absorbing peoples blackness, so maybe its not even your own rage, rather it’s absorbing the collectives.

      My Dark Moon is in the 12th trined Pluto. So that’s a similar vibe to yours. And I can really identify with that blackness download also, very interesting! It makes me feel really nauseous. To me it’s more like sticky black oil and I’d get a nasty pain in my colon sometimes too. Urgh I feel icky just thinking about it.

    • I’ve been thinking about her in my chart and realising that when I acted, something of her came out – I had to cry on stage, and it totally freaked out one of my friends. And I enjoyed that. There really could be a ferocity about my acting if I’d let it out, as there is about my painting. I have a Taurus Ascendant somewhere between 22 and 27 Taurus so one or other, or both, of Mean and Oscillating Lilith is trine the Ascendant. And I’ve just realised too that Mars is both conjunct Dark Moon, and trine True Lilith. I do have a very Earthy (capital E definitely!) Mars and there’s a definite fear of letting it out. I do need to explore ways of doing it and accept that they may not be everyone’s cup of tea!

  2. very illuminating. I can see how these liliths hit a whole lot of points and aspect patterns in my chart in a way that makes sense. My otherwise virtually unaspected Sag Mars conjunct black moon Lilith and square vertex. That fits.
    Dk moon lilith characteristicly in 12th trining saturn and moon in 8th, and 150 degrees from venus and neptune in 5th, lots of deep stuff there I’ve been working on excavating over the last year or so. Hard work(saturn) but worth it.
    And to top it all off, asteroid lilith square chiron and uranus. Again this seems to reinforce the aspect that’s there with chiron and uranus – the nature of the lilith fits uncannily with the aspect and the planets involved.

    Anyway, great stuff Marina!

    • Thanks Wonder! I find it uncanny the amount of Lilith connections I have with people commenting here. It feels like we’re in a kind of Lilith coven. I too have Black Moon Lilith conjunct Mars, Dark Moon in the 12th and Asteroid Lilith in aspect to Chiron (trine) and Uranus(semi sextile)

      Asteroid Lilith is the most rebellious of the Lils and to have her with Chiron (Maverick) and Uranus (Eccentric oddball) makes her even more outside the box. Glad you came to our box!


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