In Lilith astrology one can use three Lilith Moon’s. Black Moon Lilith, Asteroid Lilith and the lesser known Dark Moon Lilith. Together they work as a Triple Moon Goddess, which describes a process of transformation. The three Lilith’s are also useful in pinpointing which brand of Lilith energy is strongest in your chart and at which stage you may have the most issues with. After studying Eris in detail it is apparent to me that she is the higher octave of Lilith. Eris is the Uber-Dark Goddess and by combining her with the outer planets we can see how each corresponds quite neatly with three phases of the moon.
To see the Lilith archetype in terms as a triple goddess makes total sense to me. After I wrote this post I discovered Demetria George had come up with a similar concept about Lilith. Comparing it to the bible story she says: ” The Asteroid Lilith describes the first stage in the mythical journey where she is suppressed, humiliated and flees in a fiery rage to the desolate wilderness. The Dark Moon Lilith depicts the pain of her exile where she plots and executes revenge. The Black Moon Lilith shows how she transmutes her distorted image back into its natural healthy expression” [1]
Asteroid Lilith Astrology
CRESCENT MOON. 1181 on astro.com. The Maiden (Puberty & Virginity), Colour White.
ORBIT. She is the only solid representation of Lilith found in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Takes 4 years to orbit the Sun. Discovered in 1927. Diameter of 67km.
KEY WORDS. Rebellion, feminist, prostitution, exile, freedom fighter, confrontational, equality, impulsive, innovative, unconventional, asexual, instinctual, hands-on healing.
She is hands on with her energy as represented by the hand like glyph. Earthy and practical, she reflects the part of the creation myth where she protests to God about having the “lay beneath” Adam and not being treated as his equal.
Asteroid Lilith is like URANUS/ERIS. Uranus having been castrated makes him asexual, he is often sited as being the “gay” planet which is suggestive of alternative lifestyles. The fact that he was castrated by Cronus (Saturn) is interesting. Another symbol of patriarchy whipping off power from this eccentric, ball breaker!
Black Moon Lilith Astrology
FULL MOON. Comprising True (Osculating) Lilith. h13 on astro.com & Mean Lilith from their regular drop down menu. The Mother (Creativity & Sexuality), Colour Red.
ORBIT. It has a 9 year orbit and interestingly spends 9 months in each sign. Very apt for the Full Moon phase. This describes beautifully the gestation of Osculating Lilith to Mean Lilith in the corridor. The corridor being the womb.
KEY WORDS. Magic, animal magnetism, kundalini, creative force, tantric sex, seduction, intuition, psychic ability, imagination, poetry, psychic healing, hypnotism, charisma, glamour, shamanism, mushrooms, psychedelic drugs.
This is not a solid object, it is a point of alignment. The Black Moon is the apogee of the Moons orbit, the point that is farthest from the earth. Just as points like the North Node and the Vertex are hugely important, so is the lunar apogee.
Just as there is a Lunar mean and true Node, so there is a Mean and True (osculating) Lilith. As I have found True Lilith to have just as strong an influence as Mean Lilith. Together they form according to Lilith expert Kelly Hunter, a Black Moon Corridor. True Lilith has a wildly vacillating orbit and demonstrates the same quality as an anaretic Planet; potent, fermenting, on the verge of changing. Mean Lilith is more like a fermented refined and stable magic.
Black Moon Lilith is like NEPTUNE/ERIS. This part of the Lilith myth corresponds to the forbidden fruit episode. Where Lilith comes back as a serpent. The serpent representing occult knowledge. The apple representing sex or enthogens. Neptune is very much like a psychic sponge. The zone has shamanic qualities, a similar effect to using drugs to break down the barriers to the unconscious. Like deceptive Neptune when drugged, this zone can let in the demons as well as messages from the spirits.
Dark Moon Lilith Astrology
NEW MOON. Also known as Waldemath Moon. h58 on astro.com.( Menopause & The Shadow). Colour Black.
ORBIT. It flies through the chart, like a witch on it’s broomstick taking 119 days to travel round the earth spending 10 days in one sign. Sighting of this mysterious 2nd Moon goes back as far as 1618. it is supposed to resemble a sphere shaped dust cloud. In 1918, Astrologer Sepharial claimed to have confirmed the existence of Waldemaths “ghost” moon.
KEY WORDS. Vengence, Sadomasochism, Demons, The Shadow, Rage, Anti-mother, Fairytales, Nightmares, Ghosts, Nymphomania, Gremlins, Psycho, Toxins, Depth psychology, Stalkers, emotional pain, Catharsis, Madness.
The Dark Moon is the hurt, nasty side of Lilith, and very much like Algol the notorious Fixed star. It can be channeled beneficially if used without ego to release negativity through creativity or art therapy. It is the part of the Lilith myth where in exile she turned baby killer out of revenge to god. “Dark Moon relates to highly individualized soul desires that are denied personal satisfaction for higher expression on social/spiritual levels.”Kelley Hunter.
Dark Moon Lilith is like PLUTO/ERIS. The shadow and demons are very much part of Pluto’s underworld, generally he is thought to have raped and abducted Persephone (Eris), but in other versions Persephone goes willingly. Dark Moon then can work two ways like the myth, we either face our Demons and release them safely or we bury them. If they are allowed to fester they become enraged, then we risk them breaking out and psychically “raping” us.
1. Finding our Way through the Dark. Demetra George. pg 92.
Finding Lilith Moon’s in Your Chart
Create your chart HERE
Choose “Extended Chart Selection”
In “Additional objects“, select “Lilith”. This is Black Moon Lilith (Mean)
In “additional asteroids or “hypothetical” planets” add 1181, h13, h58. This will show asteroid Lilith, Black Moon Lilith (True/Osculating) and Dark Moon Lilith.
Its nice so many people ask me this. I got as far as doing about 8 cards then I got too busy with the astrology and writing. One day I will finish them! I do want to.
in the Astro.com site there are 4 Liliths – but in your article you refer to only three- the asteroid, the dark and the black. did i miss anything ?:)
the article itself is very helpful and interesting. thank a lot of sharing.
Hi Ruth:
There are two versions of the BLACK Moon Lilith. That is the black half crescent on top of a cross.
True or Osculating Lilith. h13 on astro.com
Mean Lilith from their regular drop down menu.
thanks a lot Marina.
Hi, Ruth. Really appreciate and enjoy your articles. I have Eris conjunct (to one degree of) my IC, and Pandora and Waldemath moon in my fourth house. My “family life” has been a total disaster and major heartache can’t seem to settle down for long to have a home, either. Would appreciate any input. Thank you.
Hi Iolabelle. Waldemath Moon in the 4th isnt much of an influence unless its closely aspecting the sun, moon or AC or conjunct a personal. I’d say the big deal is Eris conjunct the IC. Thats a hellraiser and really deep down is afraid of being tied down to any place. Then it also depends on the satr on the IC too. I can’t really say much more than that unless I look at your chart. http://darkstarastrology.com/dark-goddess-reading/
Thank you for your reply, Marina. I agree with your analysis. I’m the black sheep of the family and I think having Pandora in the 4th (conjunct Waldemath) doesn’t help. Eris is square my Saturn, residing in the first.
P.S. Waldemath is sextile my moon in Aquarius, in the second house.
sorry but i’m not an expert. you may wish to ask Marina or Jamie, the owners of this site.
good luck – ruth
Thanks for the heads-up, Ruth.
Hi, Marina and Jamie. Could you please shed some light on my post (two above), regarding my fourth house/Waldemath, etc.?
Thank you, Janet (aka Lolabelle)
Woah. My Waldemath is in Leo in 4th, 3o from my Leo Uranus, 0o trine my Sag Sun in 8th, quintile my Scorpio Moon in 6th.
Cancer Mean Lilith in 3rd quincunx Sun, 1.52o Black Moon Corridor, both Jupiter and Saturn in 9th House of publishing…I should be writing horror, shouldn’t I? B-)
I’m talking to myself but man, I’ve got some serious psycho going on in my chart. You were right in my Dark Goddess reading that my chart is set up to *attract* psychos.
I do. I’m a psycho magnet. o~0
Dear Parin: well here I am, a psycho. yo. I hope you read the quarter moon posting these guys have posted as it talks about this being the last week of Nov. 2011 eclipse and boy have I had some inner drama’s around anger and a ton of stress dreams alot around security. So maybe your feeling some of this too…
Hi Marina,
I have the Osculant, on 9th house, retrograde. The other bunch of Lilits and Lillith (the one with the cross underneath, are in 8th. And in 12th house, the asteroid, in gemini, next to mars, which is also there.
Is it possible to get them out of there? Could they mean the dormant woman?
And my daughter! She has all kind of quadrates and many trines, with most of them. With the moon sextiles… She has three of them -including the Osculant one- in the 2nd house. And one of them in the 4th house, conj. moon. She has taken the gay option and lives happy with it. I wish this means that she is not so repressed.
Yesterday, as Venus went retrograde, I felt like visiting the Underworld, full of passion and strength…
Mh!
Rín.
Say!
Is not enough to have a Venus in Aries -difficult to control that much energy- and sun opp. neptune/quadrate uranus?
I feel not only confused, but I feel I would need to “changing eras” to surmount all this!
Maybe I should just let go (so hard!),
Mhhhhhhh!
Rín.
I meant TWO changing eras. Living 2012 twice!
Which Lilith is Waldermath? What is the significance of it sitting right on one’s sun? (Pluto, Mars, Mercury, Pallas Athene also are part of a stellium involving my sun in the 10th house). Transmuted tragedies in childhood into a conviction to fight for the rights of others. Mean Lilith conjuncts my asc tightly from the 1st house in Scorpio. Strong part of who I am. Angeles Arrien’s book on tarot puts me as priestess for lifetime and growth symbols. Interesting to see you associate priestess card/archetype with Lilith.
I don’t know if it’s because I’ve purchased horoscopes from astrodienst but after clicking on extended chart selection, it doesn’t offer ‘additional objects’.
pen- extreme left bottom of the page there’s a blank field under the list of asteroids plus, click on lilith here, then copy paste 1181, h13, h58 in the blank field. you might want to click on aspect lines to all and show stars, which are in the list on the right side of that lower box.
Wow, thank you for all your work. Thank you. I have h13 moon with cross conjunct chiron in Virgo. Yes,says it all. OMG