Sun square Saturn is probably the most challenging of the Sun Saturn natal aspects as both Saturn and the square aspect represent tests and challenges that have to be overcome in order to get ahead in life. This aspect may cause difficulties early in life with self esteem as a result of criticism from people, especially authority figures like the father. This can lead to these people being hard on themselves but the benefit here is that they strive with determination and perseverance to overcome any setbacks and become masters of self discipline, achievement and responsibility.
Sun Square Saturn Celebrities
Astrologer Zane Stein (16′) faced some personal trials which led him to raise his children as a single parent. With all this extra responsibility, he has still managed to become a highly respected astrologer with many lasting achievements to his name as a pioneer in Chiron and asteroid studies. Actor Jason Alexander (38′) had many hardships as a youngster, he said he “was always scared as a kid of getting picked on or humiliated or actually beaten up by bigger kids.” He turned this around by using comedy as a defence mechanism which led to his great recognition.
Oprah Winfrey (03′) certainly started life with many difficult challenges, ahe was an illegitimate child and practically abandoned, raped and abused which of course has led to lifelong insecurities. Salvador Dali (27′) had terrible Saturn responsibilities placed on him by his parents. He was named after his older brother who died as a baby, and his parents forced him to wear his clothes as a remionder that he would never replaced his dead brother. Other celebrities with Sun square Saturn include Jane Fonda (27′) and George Harrison (27′).
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With Sun square Saturn at 0 degrees Gemini in the 12th, I can identify with the challenges. Early life, I was a gawky nerd wallflower with identity issues. After losing both my parents by the age of 31, both by sudden deaths, I learned that it was only me responsible for this path I choose to take in this life, with no safety net. The self-confidence issue has been a life-long challenge and when it gets rough and I begin to doubt myself, I focus on the skills I have that are unmatched in what I do for a living and I immerse myself in the fruits of my labor. If it weren’t for gardening, I’d be a mess. Peace to all.
I have 6 planets in a Leo 12th House with Saturn square the whole lot as Jupiter starts the stellium at 13 degrees, then Moon at 16, Venus at 20, Sun 24, Mars 24, PLuto 26. Saturn is in Scorpio at 16 degrees. I had extremely unsupportive – actually obstructive – parents, a severely mentally handicapped child at 18, was a single parent then but worked, took on a mortgage and property at the age of 19, have had two short, dire marriages, another child who I am still paying for even though she is nearly 30! I have worked in libraries, have a passion for books and love solitude! Especially in vast open spaces! I write, paint and practice/teach yoga, study relentlessly – I am possibly the most disciplined person I know and certainly have the best recouperative powers!
Hard Saturn aspects I see as the King Makers – I think they force issues which one has to make hard choices over but eventually result in self mastery. Perhaps Saturn Sun aspects point that to fight is often futile and that outward self limitation is actually real inner bliss.
Thankyou both so much for these comments. Sharing personal experiences like this is so valuable for others reading about these aspects. You are expressing Saturn so well here, teaching others and especially showing how to make the most of a difficult aspect.
I have Saturn conjunct the Sun in Capricorn in the 4th house. I lost my father at an early age 9 years old and didn’t meet him until my adulthood. Childhood can be best described as painful and lonely. My father is a Saturn conjunct the Sun person but in Aries. He was beaten by his father as a child. Much more to say on the subject but just wanted to confirm the Saturn – Sun father issues
Yep, yep. This aspect can be a difficult burden to bear for sure. I’ve got it going from my first house Saturn at 8 degrees Sagittaruis to my 10th house Sun at 3 Virgo. It’s a biggish orb, but life has been a slog nonetheless. Unfullfilled dreams, stunted romantic possibilities, depression. The very first time I got an astrology reading, my astrologer said “boy, I wonder why a soul would pick such a difficult set of aspects to be born under”. But whatever, this is an aspect that makes you keep on trying even if it takes a lifetime to get what you want…and it probably will take a lifetime.
Yes! I have sun square saturn natally and my relationships with the male figures in my life beginning with my biological “father” have been strained to say the least. A father who walked out on my mother in the 70′s with 4 young children, he later resurfaced angry and emotionally sometimes physically abusive. I have experienced abuse both sexual and physical on more than one occasion by males. But alas! I stayed focused and in my lone hours turned from medication to meditation. I began to see MySelf as a powerfully positive person regardless of others opinions. I am 39 (2nd node return;0) and working through my saturn issues (not avoiding but embracing “what is”). I have come across a wonderful man (who is a capr with natal moon squaring saturn) and we are engaged to be married. A good looking surgeon who adores my children and I. The pain has been so worth it. Once we embrace our saturnine issues, face them square on, we can harness a powerful energy for stability and genuine purpose to be handed down to future generations. There will be no escaping Saturn. The power lies in your ability to choose. I like what Jiddu Krishnamurti said: “There is no ‘I have learned’. There is only ‘I am learning.’” The lesson so often with Saturn is to look underfoot. You have everything you need to be happy. Only one time in your life to be happy. You choose. For those still feeling the heaviness of your Saturn, please read Eckhart Tolle’s The Power of Now… or get it on disc. Your thoughts are powerful. You are Powerful. Much Love!
Inspirational words, thanks Deb. How interesting about your partners Moon square Saturn, you are his Moon, and he is your Sun. Should be able to help each other out there with shared responsibilities, commitment, stability.
Thanks Jamie. Great website… I read you often. Also worth noting when looking a little deeper at my personal sun squ saturn is that my father’s father died suddenly of colon cancer when my father was only 12 (first Jupiter return). My father was an only child and his Mother a fiesty redheaded school teacher with a temper. It is no wonder that later in life, after my Dad had 4 kids of his own, that he left us in search of the youth he never really got to have. Also worth noting on the spiritual genetics front is that mine own first born son has a capricorn moon conjunct neptune and squaring saturn. I tell my children to speak to saturn the way you tame a nearby buzzing bee and announce: “Saturn, you are my friend.” As far as my current sun relationship, I have found a new way to approach Saturn. We work out everyday, we eat really fresh well prepared food, we live disciplined lives, we work hard AND we play hard. My partner is also a Capricorn Dentist/Oral Surgeon! Saturn brings many great rewards including: slow and steady wins the race. It’s never too late to turn your saturn around. So Rev J above, your soul would have picked these “difficult set of aspects” because you are Just That Great and capable of so much. Own Your Saturn… it will always pay off.
My sun in Pisces in the 8th squares Saturn in the 10th in Gemini (biggish 8 degree orb). Saturn opposition Neptune in the house of the father (4th). My father abruptly left my life when I was about 8 and my life was irrevocably changed and I’m still dealing with it. I work very very hard all the time, sometimes I wish life had more ease, but I feel like if I don’t take care of myself, who will? I feel responsible and reliable, but sometimes I just want to escape (Neptune).
Sounds like you’re using the square energy very well. All the best, hope you reap the Saturn rewards from you’re hard work and responsibility.
Hi! I have sun square saturn also. My parents divorced when I was eight. Father married an alcoholic, he was also an alcoholic, I had two step brothers that hated me so much they used to yell at me and kick me out of the house in the middle of the night. I was on streets, hiding from them. My father was out drinking. I was 10. My mother was in a deep depression and kept telling me I was the reason she stayed married so may years. She had a new boyfriend every night. I’ve changed myschool when they divorced. My new teacher used to beat me up. So I was in the weekends living with alcoholics, the other days, my mother was sleeping with everyone and at sachool I was beaten.
But i turned out ok! We need to work hard and accept and make peace. I think after that period life has given me wonderful opportunities. It’s not about bad parents. It’s about us. We have to learn to make peace and take responsibility of our own lives.I’m 32 and I just found that out. Still have more time to practice it and make it a way of living and percieving.
Love
Melissa Ceren
Wow. This description fits my life so far to a T!
I felt like a reject for years, tried analysing it, looking at myself from a third party perspective, and saw nothing all that terrible or odd that could have possibly caused me to become the most shunned individual at school and at home. I mean I have every attribute that in theory should make me the life of the social scene; I’m sporty, an honor student, well read, a multi instrumentalist, even attractive albeit in a generic way…If this isn’t the formula for popularity(and I mean that in the broadest sense of the word, not just the high school way) I don’t know what is!
It started to get better as I got older, but I was still the nominated scapegoat/pack mule/third sodding wheel in every group I was ever a part of. I think this aspect makes me come full circle when dealing with criticism; first I’ll be put down by someone for something or other, then I will put down myself, to spare them the trouble, and then they’ll tell me I’m no fun because I’m so introverted and restrained, so I’ll loosen up, show some character, maybie dare to live a little, and will be immidiatly put down all over again. I mean, when I am one on one with someone, I feel like I’m completely within my element, but if another person were to join us, I will always be the least desirable of us three.
But then again, I also have Saturn in my seventh house, so it could be a combination of those two…
I am using this aspect to my benefit by starting a business of my own and becoming involved with my soulmate. I am encouraged by what I have read. I am owning my greatness and I’m willing to lay down my pain, commit to healing and move on one day at a time. Thanks to everyone that has shared. I feel empowered and encouraged.
I really have a whammy. I’m a full moon child, so we’ve got a 5 planet stellium, including the sun in Leo in the 11th house opposed by the moon in Aquarius in the 5th house in a T-square alignment with Saturn in Scorpio as the apex planet. Traditional astrologers that I’ve read have me doomed and hopeless, saying these are some of the worst natal aspects to have. You have to really dig deep and believe in your soul and self in extremely profound ways which is done over time. Saturn strips away all B.S. and keeps everything real. If you allow it to manifest positively, there is great power and knowledge. Trust me….