The wedding date has been set! The marriage of the royal couple is on April 29 2011, start time 11:00 am, Westminster Abbey. In this post, Jamie looks at the horoscope for the wedding ceremony and the aspects to William and Kate’s Charts, then Marina looks at the synastry between the royal couple.
The Sun trine Pluto is favorable indicating the power of this couple, obviously they have a magnetically attractive quality. The Moon is tightly square the Lunar Nodes so relationships between families may be a cause of tension, especially among the women.
Communication in the marriage is ruled by Mercury, and this is opposite Saturn so there is some difficulty here in fully expressing what’s on their minds. An inability to be totally open and honest about their concerns could lead to arguments or periods of annoying silence.
Venus is love and she is not too happy in this chart. Like Mercury, she is opposite Saturn so there may be restriction in expressing love and affection in the marriage. Venus is also square Pluto bringing the possibility of these restricted affections causing a major problem. These square and oppositions will force the issue, something to be continually worked on. Pluto is about evolution, and trine the Sun suggests they will work on this issue and the relationship will grow.
Mars is desire and sex, and conjunct Jupiter is mighty fine, they have lucked out here! This is the ultimate in success aspects, very fortunate. A sexy and successful couple. I will update this interpretation once the ceremony has taken place.
Update 29 April 2011: Pronounced man and wife at 11:20 am.
Royal Wedding Horoscope
Aspects to Prince William’s Horoscope
The January Solar Eclipse is conjunct his South Node, a past life love? The December Lunar Eclipse is conjunct his Descendant, the marriage partner, perfect! North Node conjunct his Neptune sounds like a dream relationship.
The dreamy and romantic theme spirals into outer space now, Neptune is trine his Sun and Jupiter, making a grand trine with his natal Sun trine Jupiter. Venus is opposite his Mars which will spice up the romance, may add some tension in the bedroom but this won’t hurt things too much given the Mars Jupiter conjunction in the wedding chart.
Mercury is square his lunar Nodes which reinforces the communication difficulties for him from the wedding chart, especially with family relationships. The Moon is sextile his Venus Chiron conjunction on Algol. This is most important because this conjunction is the apex of the Yod in his chart. He will get emotional support from this marriage for that deep wound in his soul.
Aspects to Kate Middleton’s Horoscope
The April Full Moon is conjunct her Pluto, an intense, powerful and life-changing experience. The Quarter Moon a few days before the wedding in conjunct her Mercury, busy busy!, Won’t be able to sit still, so much running around and communications, very nervous. This does put a focus on how she expresses herself in the relationship, reinforcing the importance of this that was shown in the wedding chart. It seems it is Kate who has to work on being as open as she can to William about how she feels.
Like William, the North Node is also on her Neptune, how romantic, a spiritual union. Pluto sextile her Jupiter means this relationships gives large-scale success, material and spiritual growth and happiness.
Saturn is on her Mars, controlling her desires. Hard work and patience, may have some difficulty getting what she wants. Some frustration and not getting her way all the time. Mars and Jupiter are opposite her Saturn, so this really does reinforces this frustration of desires, and the inhibition in expressing what see wants and needs. Venus conjunct her Mars would sound sexy on it’s own, great for passion. However because Saturn is opposite her Mars this may be a hindrance. This is definitely a major issue for Kate to work on in this relationship.
The Sun is square her Venus and opposite her Jupiter, another challenge to her happiness and ability to have her desires for love and affection fulfilled. Fortunately the Moon is trine her Pluto, and given that the Full Moon was conjunct her Pluto, this does suggest that like William, she will also get very strong emotional support from this relationship.
William and Kate Synastry
So let’s look at their compatibility using synastry techniques. Do the Royals tick the astrological boxes? The first thing I usually consider in a synastry reading is a couples shared karma by looking at the double-aspects or double whammys. Eg. A’s Sun trine B’s Moon and B’s Sun Opposed A’s Moon. The more double whammy’s the more likely they have had many past lives together. The more lives, the more karma has been built up and the more powerful the attraction for good or ill.
I have found none at all! I do use tight orbs and only the Ptolemaic aspects plus the quincunx, but I usually find at least 4 or 5. Of course we are missing the angles, vertex and part of fortune for Kate, but still…None! Maybe they just don’t have any karmic baggage and this is a brand new relationship for them both.
Then I look at what I consider to be great relationship aspects. We don’t get many here either, but they are good ones:
Kate’s Venus trine William’s Mars.
Kate’s Moon conjunct William’s North Node
William’s Moon trine Kate’s Jupiter
William’s Venus sextile Kate’s North Node
There are no classic Sun and Moon aspects but could have two aspects to make up for if. If Kates time is between 9am and 3pm, then her Moon is within orb of being on Williams North Node. So it is the future that is pulling them together! She is his destiny. Their union is about creating shiny new karma. Her Moon would also be trine Williams Part of Fortune. The POF is the souls happiness and is made up of the Sun, Moon and AC. One person’s luminaries harmoniously in tune with another’s AC is good news. This is all speculation however, without these connections, the next ones could be extremely problematic..
Williams Venus is sextile Kates North Node gives her soul development loving support, BUT his Pluto is squaring her Nodes at the same time. Unless her Moon really is conjunct his North Node, William would have way too much of the power in this relationship and it would take a very strong woman to hold her own. The Venus/Mars is what all couples want and it’s a trine, thank God for that! Her love calms down their flammable Mars conjunct Mars.
Synastry Venus Yod
Wooo! This is the doozy, Williams Venus on Algol, is quincunx both Kate’s Pluto and Neptune. Making a very tight spellbinding Yod. This is very potent, but it could go very wrong. It’s either going to be totally magical or potentially extremely toxic.
One bit at a time. Venus quincunx Neptune in synastry is total fairytale, soulmate dream-love. It’s fantastically euphoric, but sometimes this love does not fare too well in the real world. When grim domesticity shatters the rose-tinted mirage of Neptune the disappointment may be too great to bear. The couple can resort to taking drink or drugs in order to maintain the state of bliss.
The other quincunx is to Pluto, a compelling sexual attraction. This has also obsessive overtones, especially with the quincunx which has that electric type of energy. It’s enormously creative with Neptune and magically mysterious. Occult love. Now William of course has this Yod in his own chart, so he is going to share this aspect with a lot of his classmates. But not all their Moons are going to fall on his North Node. If hers indeed does.
For Kate however the Yod is enough by itself. Not many men are going to Yodify her Neptune Pluto sextile in this way and certainly not many with Venus on Algol. For her she could get addicted to the glamorous lifestyle this brings. Neptune/Venus is definitely beautiful fashion photographs, so I expect her to outdo Diana in this regard.
Long term
Williams’s Saturn is square both Kate’s Sun and Moon which is a tad too co-dependant for my liking. He could get far too cold and stern with her over time. But on the plus side, this is pretty good relationship glue despite the square. Maybe this is the realism they need to balance out that yod.
We can also see how Kate experiences William through the overlay of her planets on his house wheel. Her Moon in his 8th using whole sign houses. This works like a Hades Moon, so he is transforming and an intense lover for her. Quite overpowering for her at times. Emotionally this is really heavy going. With his Pluto squaring her nodes too and the Pluto quincunx Venus, she really needs to be a real Warrior Queen. This would be an Eris type woman who would relish in the drama and get-off on the adrenalin-rush this kind of relationship can bring.
UPDATE!
With the time of 11.33pm Kates Moon becomes square Pluto giving her the Hades Moon she needs to hold her own in this relationship. Mars rising would make her a warrior Queen. I wrote more abut it in the Kate Middleton comments section.
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Willliams Venus on Algol is a nightmare waiting to happen. Also every Monarch on the throne carries a Royal Star in a prominent place on their chart. William does not. He will not be King. Prince Harry does, so if Catherine does not produce a child with a Royal Star, then Harry is the next King.
Interesting theory, but I see no Royal star for the Queen. With Kates time at 11.33pm William & Kates Davison MC is in the Royal star Fomalhaut. (“Very, very good or very, very bad!”) which qualifies them I think. More powerful than Harry’s Uranus on Antares. Its unaspected so working pure, but disconnected from the rest of his chart and the star would work more as a generational influence I think..
Using 11:33 p.m. as birthtime for Kate also gives them a Davison AND Composite Moon on 13 Cancer, close to Sirius, which seems to be an important star for William as well, as his NN is on 13 Cancer.
Also with that birthtime her progressed IC is now on 7 Aquarius, exactly conjunct her natal Venus (and asteroids Karma and Destinn).
The Moon and Ceres-aspects seem to be very interesting in their synastry. (their Ceres-positions are conjunct on 12 and 13 Scorpio, trine his NN on 13 Cancer – and for those who like asteroids also trine her Valentine on 13 Pisces).
Her Moon is conjunct her own NN and square his Pluto.
So her NN is aspected by his Pluto, his NN is aspected by her Ceres. Makes me wonder where Proserpina is located for them. lol
Hello Marina
There are 6 royal stars: Aldebaran, Antares, Regulus, Pollux, Spica & Lucida Lancis. The Queen has her MC on LLancis. Not close enough for it usually to be considered on LL, but close enough for when we are looking at LL purely as a royal star, in which case we can allow a bit wider orb. AstroDataBank gives the wrong time for the Queen, the correct chart: is 1.40 am BST, 4 Capricorn rising.
Harry also has his MC on it, and Lord Asc is just about close enough to it too. Until William produces a baby with a royal star, Harry is the next King
6 Royal stars?
I always thought, there were only four: Regulus, Formalhaut, Antares and Aldebaran.
Where do the others come from? Where can I read up on them?
One of the watchers of the quarters, Fomalhaut, isn’t a royal star. This is because it is associated with the winter solstice when the Sun, symbol of royalty, is at its lowest. The other three are, as well as the three other very bright stars that are right on the ecliptic, i.e. right on the Sun’s path around the earth – partaking on the Sun’s royal nature, as it were.
Kate will have 3 children and she and william will divorce after 5 years ,,, will not last
my gut told me they were not well-matched when i saw them photographed together months ago. they are not of the same ilk. at the ceremony their respective body language(s) were at best clashing. you could chalk this up to jitters, having to “play a role” for the public, but essentially i think this marriage is ill-matched. they’re both gorgeous… when it all dissolves, if it’s allowed to, i hope they can seek lives more true to themselves… on their own or in different relationships.
you got it ..it was a setup with the palace and this stupid breeding for new royals is over the hill … will and kate will part and divorce,,,and will be a real player… watch for harry moving in on pippi
“I noticed Harry couldn’t resist taking a peak when she was walking up the isle. I thought it strange wills kept staring frontward.”
I agree. That seemed strange to me, too. He seemed very “stiff”, though I don`t know if that was about the role he had to play and the fact that so many people were observing or if it was something else.
I really liked Harry`s reaction there, to turn around and have a look. It seemed very “human” and natural.
Lets look at Harry’s chart. Similar feel to Wills, but lacking red totally, no squares!. Yod to North Node on Alcyone (In the Pleiades in Taurus) which is another notorious star like Algol. Conjunct that North Node we have Ceres ON Algol. The Algol and Yod theme in the Royal family is uncanny ( Diana & Wills = Venus on Algol, Queen IC on Algol)
Ooh. Just noticed (My huber setting doesnt draw aspects to Lilith), Harry’s interconnecting Yod from North Node/Lilith to Pluto. SExy!
Marina re Harry – what a great chart, hours of fun to be had with old Hal! And he looks like an old soul in a Ferrari – great sense of humour and he’s Loaded…..three v nice quintiles to boot, Mercury MC and Pluto Asc and Sun DC! Yods everywhere, never a dull moment….and Venus Mars IC one says he will come into his power when he gets his girl….could we be looking at the future King? Whats the synastry like, dare one ask, with certain other royal personages…….
are you kidding,,, harry was laughing his backend off because he knew this was a royal setup for his brother,, in afew years after the newness wears off .. it will be business as usual…partytime.. dump the wife
Marina, would you explain what “Davison” refers to, when analyzing a chart?
Thanks.
The Davison is a chart for the midpoint in time between the two birthdays. So if a couple were born 3 days apart in the same road their midpoint chart would be in that day between their birthdays and the place would be the same. If you are born miles from each other the midpoint would be the coordinants in between.
I like it because it is a real chart that actually exists (Instead of the composite midpoint which is a hyperthetical) so you can progress it and check out the fixed stars. It’s supposed to show the”Why” you have been brought together as a couple, the composite supposed to show “How” it works as a relationship. I lean towards using just the one composite chart method now, keeps things simple and I find the Davison better for me because of the ability to use the fixed stars
I just read, that it’s frowned upon when mere commoners wear large crown-like tiaras. So Kate’s dainty tiara was actually about the most she could go for. The queen lent it to her so it was probably up to the Queen what size she could get away with. Princess Margaret obviously thought she was royal enough to go for an almost Queen sized tiara!
I’ve been trying to look for examples of old Swedish/Finnish wedding photos, because apparently when people did get married back then, in the old days, they had a little crown, usually made of gold passed down from generation to generation.. and shared between sisters and such.
I really have had trouble finding an image, but found a really old photo of a girl in a long dark wedding gown with a small gem-encrusted crown… not royal at all.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefanochamanda/389491034/#/photos/ stefanochamanda/389491034/lightbox/
Things like this make me think there was more stuff going on beneath the surface of the traditions.
Just like how even though Sweden isn’t a Catholic country, some of the pre-Easter things seem to even be older.. not to mention the Witches in Easter, and the bonfire night (on the 30th of April) (I think the burning of the Easter witches and trolls comes later on when the land becomes Christianized..)
My mother in law’s wedding picture has her in a white gown with a little gold crown on top- and there seems to be a certain time you are probably doing to get married, because of the way the year is structured, at least back then.. (due to the holidays- as you probably notice, most of the Catholic and Jews weddings are around a certain time of year, between May and June.. to not hit any major holidays) And most people don’t want to get married in July, August or September, but of course times have changed.
I have to also take notice, concerning marriage in the family, I think my husband’s sister got married exactly the same day as Marina and Jaime– they did it in secret and told everyone on Christmas- but they have been together for more than 20 years and have two children together, and after the first one moved out, they decided to go to the courthouse in Stockholm and just do it.. finally. No one was invited and no one was told.. and no crown and no fancy gown either.
I’m sorry….I have to say it – someone posted, reminding us that her moon SQUARES his pluto….that is just BRUTAL. I am trying my best to choose the most positive interpretations, but my goodness!
Also, Marina, no one seems to have commented that both are marrying during their saturn natal returns, in libra no less (rules marriage). Is that optimal? I doubt it.
I am wondering what is going to be the final straw, the tipping point that makes reality set in.
Marina, I like your analysis of the relationship between Prince William and Kate Middleton. As Suzanne also commented just above, the fact that her Moon squares his Pluto doesn’t sound great. However, any aspect, be it positive or negative, has the potential for both bad and good. For instance, although William’s quest for power in relationships (Pluto in Libra) may create emotional tension within Kate (square her Moon), there is also the potential for William to get rid of superficial rules that govern relationships (Pluto in Libra) in order to satisfy Kate’s need for true emotional security (Moon in Cancer).
With regard to Suzanne’s comment about William and Kate getting married during their Saturn natal returns, I find that this might even be the best time for getting married! The Saturn cycle is a cycle of maturity and responsibility, which is accentuated by the Libra placement in both their charts. Saturn in Libra can be interpreted as fear of relating, but if one is willing to overcome this fear, they can work hard towards achieving that. So, to me it makes perfect sense that both of them confronted this fear during their first Saturn return. I also have my Saturn in Libra, so I relate very well with William and Kate’s fears!
You might also be interested in reading my own astro-psychological analysis of the royal wedding on my blog.
As I watched the wedding on Fri, I was surprised at how moved I was by the
archetypal power of the whole thing; the sober but not somber tone of the
service, the ‘green’ theme throughout – trees in the cathedral- the fine
homily by the Bishop of London, and the amazing response of the people.
It put me in mind of the ‘Royal Wedding that heals the Land.’ Surely the
death of Diana has secured a psychological if not psychic link to her
son in the soul of (forgive me)’the people.’ Have you taken a look at
the charts of the Wedding in relation to the U.K., or England, or whatever
would be the appropriate thing…I think you can see where I’m heading with this.
I would recommend Ptolemy in Teraboblos who declares that the stars are given natures according to their similarities to planetary influences. He specifically assigns stars in sectors of the major constellations to particular planetary likenesses. He lists these without comment, other than to say that these “are the observations of the effects of the stars themselves, as made by our predecessors”.
The Elizabethan astrologer,William Lilly identified about fifty fixed stars in his horary delineations (these are marked in the table with an asterisk *). The fixed stars have an influence when in conjunction, opposition, square or parallel aspect with a planet, or significant point in the horoscope. They are particularly important when in the Ascendant or Angles at birth, or when near the Sun or Moon. They also have an effect when directed to the Angles and can be activated by major transits. Lilly states in Christian Astrology that the planets in some parts of the Zodiac do more evidently declare their effects than in others; and he conceives this to be in those signs and degrees where fixed stars of the same nature with the planet are more in number, and nearer the ecliptic. There is also Robsons works on Fixed Stars which a very comprehesive read.
So , Kate’s birth time of 11:33 PM is a definite time ? Just checking, please respond ? How exciting to know her birth time — if it is unquestionable, I guess you might do a lot of updating about the future of the marriage ?
I rewrote some of their synastry with the new time back here on page two of the comments;
http://darkstarastrology.com/royal-wedding-horoscope-prince-william-kate-middleton/comment-page-2/#comments
I don’t know why we ever considered this time. We must have it somewhere in our comments, but I can’t seem to locate it.
Here’s what is says on Astrodatabank who rate her a DD.
“PT quotes BBC for date and place (“Royal Berkshire Hospital in Reading”), no time (12 noon chart shown here). Marc Penfield reports a birth time of 11:33 PM but when questioned said he had obtained it from another astrologer. The latter astrologer said he saw it on a British website but could not locate the website when questioned about it. This time is therefore considered unreliable until further evidence is shown.” http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Catherine%2C_Duchess_Cambridge